Probability (Spoilers)

[zsgirl]

Dru Viergever (Stew) told me that it took them a week to shoot the episode. and when he shot the javelin at the dart board, Dru told me this: "tv/movie magic honey "

[AuenDestiny]

*nods* you kind of had to figure that...look at the background when Vaughn and Stew are standing in the doorway...from where Stew threw the javelin the trajectory wouldn't have been prudent...


and the Janitor destroying the owl statue was...was...unbelievable...he's always so perfect and doesn't make mistakes...is always correcting other's mistakes...so why would this happen...it was so improbable...maybe BHH Energy did it...maybe BHH Energy hates owls and used the Janitor to cause its demise... ;D ;D ;D

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Mac said:

I actually didnt like that episode. The humor felt forced, and all them, especially Marshall, just seemed unnaturally out of character.

I agree. The whole episode felt...off. And very forced. I agree with whoever said it felt like an ep of a completely different series.

But I did crack a smile at the return of Lipschitz and the celebration of Marshall and Durst's near-death.

Is Marvin's semi-appearance a little nod to this board? Seeing as how we have Durst/Marvin shippers here and all.

And the celebration was good. "Durst and I almost died!" "That's great!"

(how much money did Lucas get again? wat is $250 or $2500?)

$2500 dollars, which is about $1300 pounds and about 1 million Canadian dollars.

In episodes where he tries to be business savvy, like Cold and Technology, Marshall does loss his ethical focus. Do we consider him out of character in these episodes?

How did he lose his ethical focus in Technology? He did fess up about the cheating and he felt bad about it. I don't think business savvy necessarilly means no ethics. Haven't seen Cold, so I can't comment on it.
I think we've established good business savvy and salesmanship as a part of Marshall's personality. I would also say he is someone who has never had to try very hard to get good grades, so it wasn't hard for him to juggle the band and school. I can buy him getting too involved with the band; everyone makes mistakes sometimes.
It wasn't that Marshall or anyone else seemed out of character so much. I just think the lesson of the episode was confusing. I know it was supposed to be about keeping your priorities straight, but it was more like "keep your priorities straight or your friends might die." And it was weird how Z was so patiently trying to convince everyone not to panic, then one more thing happens and he is suddenly convinced. The flow of the episode just wasn't good.

Just to be goofy, I must point out that this ep enforced the Corinne/Stu 'ship. She KNEW he was a 6-time gold medal winner....maybe because she has been paying attention to his, um, athletic prowess? (Then again, it could be because she reads the school newspaper.)

[Mac]

I agree, a series on par with BHH shouldnt have their characters deviate from their personality during filler. Its one thing to have growth, but this is random change.

and MC, we say plenty worse to teachers. its not a problem if you say it, just not at them insulting/disrespecting. the english paper I wrote earlier tonight has "that evil F word" used twice.

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Mac said:

and MC, we say plenty worse to teachers. its not a problem if you say it, just not at them insulting/disrespecting. the english paper I wrote earlier tonight has "that evil F word" used twice.

Speak for yourself.

[Mac]

{88Keys} said:

Is Marvin's semi-appearance a little nod to this board? Seeing as how we have Durst/Marvin shippers here and all.

I believe the shipping came after Probability was aired in Britain.

{88Keys} said:

Speak for yourself.

I did...

Mac said:

the english paper I wrote earlier tonight has "that evil F word" used twice.

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Mac said:

I did

and MC, WE say plenty worse to teachers.

Who is "We?" I don't know anyone who speaks to teachers that way.

[prettyinpink12]

Well when I was in high school we used swear words when speaking to teachers. It might have not been AT them but we used them WITH them.

[Mac]

So yeah, this is deviating far off topic. Lets return this before we all get in trouble.

But for the record, while "we" doesnt necessarily mean everyone, it doesnt mean "only me". Just because I swear in teachers presence doesnt mean everybody else does, but just because you didnt doesnt mean nobody else did either.

[MirrorCard]

{88Keys} said:

$2500 dollars, which is about $1300 pounds and about 1 million Canadian dollars.

*smiles and shakes head*

{88Keys} said:

How did he lose his ethical focus in Technology? He did fess up about the cheating and he felt bad about it. I don't think business savvy necessarilly means no ethics. Haven't seen Cold, so I can't comment on it.

do, I didn't say that business savvy = bad ethics. I said that when he tries to be business savvy he tends to lose sight of ethics.
In Cold, Marshall continued to work dispite the fact that he was sick. Even when he found out his network was making the school sick, he wanted to try to save the network. He basically symbolized the "meet the expectation no matter the cost" thing of the 1800s.
In Technology, he did know cheating is wrong but he actively did it and used his invention to do it. Yeah, he did confess. The point is that he does lose his focus. I mean, if I cheated on a test everytime someone offered me $10 and then I confessed to it later after I felt bad (though you'd think I'd get used to the guilty feeling or the bad punishments), would that mean my ethics were not a bit clouded when I decided to cheat?

{88Keys} said:

I think we've established good business savvy and salesmanship as a part of Marshall's personality. I would also say he is someone who has never had to try very hard to get good grades, so it wasn't hard for him to juggle the band and school.

*thinks and nods*

Mac said:

its not a problem if you say it, just not at them insulting/disrespecting.

Well, it is disrespecting in any context. Mac's teachers have the philosophy of "It's alright to say it, just don't direct it at me." Some of my teachers have that too *sighs*

Did anyone besides HailStorm and I not hear Corrine swear?

LaurenM said:

Who wrote this thing? it felt like another series. it didn't feel BHH-ish.

written by Jeff F. King (no stranger to writing nor BHH) & Jennifer Kennedy (her only credit on tvtome)
directed by Mitchell T. Ness (also directed Who? and Vision).

We really do give the writers a hard time. First, Nutrition, then the C+M episodes (or just the C+M storyline), and now this episode. Poor writers. You guys have done fabulous things though (<--to the writers)

[Mac]

LOL, the writers just mess up sometimes.

I heard Friction is even more OOC for the characters.

Yes, he does get clouded by greed, but this episode made him look way too "1980's" slick, and not the bookish guy we know.

I dunno why that's sigh-worthy. The words themselves shouldnt be the problem, just the intent. Corrine said she was having a crudpy day, I have crudpy tests. I may call a test crudpy, but not a teacher, since that would be a personal insult (even if I may think it).

And that is the question, if the word isn't actually offensive (borderline). That rests with one's personal ethics decision based on preference and how they define their ethics. It's neither right nor wrong.

**Now we were told to stop this ethical discussion of swear words. This probably should have been said on the general board.** FNM's going to be yeling at me later - MirrorCard

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MirrorCard said:

The point is that he does lose his focus.

That makes sense. He doesn't completely lose his ethics, just becomes a bit....ethically dubious.

written by Jeff F. King (no stranger to writing nor BHH) & Jennifer Kennedy (her only credit on tvtome)
directed by Mitchell T. Ness (also directed Who? and Vision).

Jeff King also wrote Wormhole2, Nutrition, Echolocation, Transference, Nocturnal, and Friction. Which is an odd mix if you think about it; Wormhole2 and Nutrition are not generally well-regarded episodes; and Nocturnal and Echolocation are two of the best.

We really do give the writers a hard time. First, Nutrition, then the C+M episodes (or just the C+M storyline), and now this episode. Poor writers. You guys have done fabulous things though (<--to the writers)

Nocturnal alone makes up for a whole slew of bad episodes.

[HailStorm]

Personally, I think the fact that we're so picky and demanding is that we've seen what the writers are capable of and when they don't meet the standard to best eps set, we know they can do better and so feel it's our right, nay duty, to complain.

In one way I vaguely like 80's style slick!Marshall - he reminds me of my slick!Marshall in Marshall Multiple therefore proving that the view that he could have turned out totally like that is not unfounded. Go me!

The Janitor messing up in this ep made sense. If the bell curve is reversed and the events least likely to occur are most likely to occur, then it's likely that he'd have a clumsy moment.

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HailStorm said:

Personally, I think the fact that we're so picky and demanding is that we've seen what the writers are capable of and when they don't meet the standard to best eps set, we know they can do better and so feel it's our right, nay duty, to complain.

That is what happens when you put your work out there for the public to view.

On a side note, "Jeff Biederman" is listed as a writer for BHH...I see to remember Josie mentioning that she glued a piece of macaroni in Jeffery Biederman's nose when she was in kindergarten...

The Janitor messing up in this ep made sense. If the bell curve is reversed and the events least likely to occur are most likely to occur, then it's likely that he'd have a clumsy moment.

That could explain everyone's "off" behavior.

[MirrorCard]

HailStorm said:

The Janitor messing up in this ep made sense. If the bell curve is reversed and the events least likely to occur are most likely to occur, then it's likely that he'd have a clumsy moment.

So, the characters were acting out of character because the bell curve was inverted?
Nah *shakes head*. If we really wanted to analyse it, in that way that has put a dark light onto Hemispheres, I guess you could try to make that idea work. If it were proven as a possibility, it means the episode was exceptionally good instead of slightly less than mediocre.
I will stick the idea, for now, that the bell curve only worked with making inprobable events occur, not make their personalities outside of normal.

{88Keys} said:

On a side note, "Jeff Biederman" is listed as a writer for BHH...I see to remember Josie mentioning that she glued a piece of macaroni in Jeffery Biederman's nose when she was in kindergarten...

I pointed that out a while back rewording what I said to make better sense wasn't enough for you, you have to take my observations too? (<--was joking, if you couldn't tell )

A better ending for the Janitor would have been if he was sitting in his residence redrawing the bell curve, a thing that would have been done if this was a season 1 episode.