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Post by HailStorm on Nov 15, 2004 13:42:59 GMT -5
i was trying not to spoil too much. I think that it's his side that Tyler and Middleton are on. But it's confusing because if he's the one setting up the school, and Sarah is one of the people knew of something supposed to be happening, it could be that they are or were on the same side. I'm beggining to wonder if it started out as one group but differences within the group led to schism.
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Post by Menack on Nov 15, 2004 14:27:30 GMT -5
They all could be working together... menack...is your sig from KH? it sounds really really familiar... actually yes, yes it is ;D Is the line that Ansem says like 40 times throughout the game... I think taht Sarah is the "bad guy" here. And by what we can tell from Inquiry, were at the end Josie2 says that Victor was good and that Josie's mission was to give him the ball, I'm prety sure that there are only two sides. On the good side, Josie2, the Janitor and the science club, and on the other side, Sarah, Avenir, Tyler and Diana Music(stupid name), because at the end of Allure, a guy picked the plant up... This has just come to me...If Avenir is on the "bad side", why can't Blake Holsey (or his grand-grandchilldren or something) be with the good guys?
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Post by AuenDestiny on Nov 18, 2004 14:51:17 GMT -5
All this 'Sarah wearing clothes similar to Josie2' made me think of something...
what if the Josie2 we've had since Stopwatch isn't actually the real Josie clone?
now we know that Tyler has the ability to morph and blend...what if Sarah has the same ability?
and Josie2 'Stopwatch through Inquiry' is actually Sarah morphed into Josie2?
anyone else considered this? or even thought of it?
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Post by Menack on Nov 18, 2004 15:46:04 GMT -5
mmm I really don't think so. First of all, how would Sarah know that Josie had a clone? And Josie2 says something like "It's been time since last time we saw each other". Plus, wouldn't the Janitor recognize Josie's real clone from a fake one?
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Post by Gouki on Nov 27, 2004 2:09:56 GMT -5
and where do you put Mr. Avanier? He has to be in one side, donĀ“t you think? And he does have a conection with both Tyler and Josie. He's on the sidelines manipulating every single one of them into his own plan. Or thats how I see it. He caused the accident, which prevented Sarah from reutrning, giving the Janitor orders and forcing him to work with Josie2 (you can tell they don't like each other much at first), and allowing Josie to return to the present to screw up everything (he knew her name, and where they were, he easily could have gotten there and stopped them). Amongst many other things--like granting Tyler assumedly permanent chameleon powers. I just has a thought lunge through my mind. The Dead Sea Scrolls.
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Post by pbellosom on Nov 27, 2004 6:43:37 GMT -5
I've said it before i know, but when Josie2 said Tyler had gone to the other side, I assumed it was the other side of the wormhole not of an argument.
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Post by AuenDestiny on Nov 28, 2004 22:02:47 GMT -5
other side could have two different meanings...
could be the other side of the dimension of 'normal' reality...another realm of reality...
or could be the other side that's not the side Josie2 and the Janitor are on...
so which one? or possibly both?
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Post by Moiself on Dec 21, 2004 13:12:53 GMT -5
How much do we actually know about Mr Avenir? He's cryptically 'mentioned' in "Past" and comes in at the end and gets all: "Mr Holsey, we need to talk about.." etc., but I've missed a lot of episodes and -- well, what exactly has he done, that we know about? (or ought to)
Also, Sarah: I'm thinking she probably/may have gone to the future, but I don't know if that's already been discussed and discarded as an option.. As that would mean she could be controlling Josie2 and the Janitor. I think her agenda probably was different to Victor's (in "Friction" in Corrine's 'vision').
One final thing: In the UK the season 3 finale didn't have Josie2 and the Janitor talking at the very end: is it supposed to?
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Post by Gouki on Dec 21, 2004 19:33:31 GMT -5
We know that Mr. Avenir designed the school and all that. And I have a theory that he's Josie's father. But, we know nothing solid about him.
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Post by ICWP on Dec 21, 2004 19:47:08 GMT -5
He's on the sidelines manipulating every single one of them into his own plan. Or thats how I see it. He caused the accident, which prevented Sarah from reutrning, giving the Janitor orders and forcing him to work with Josie2 (you can tell they don't like each other much at first), and allowing Josie to return to the present to screw up everything (he knew her name, and where they were, he easily could have gotten there and stopped them). Amongst many other things--like granting Tyler assumedly permanent chameleon powers. I just has a thought lunge through my mind. The Dead Sea Scrolls. I don't think he can be 'forcing', The Janitor and Josie 2 togather, since in Culture it was the Janitor who offered to work with her ("There is a place you can go"). And you can't say he granted Tyler his powers without saying he caused alot of the related events, since it was the same "BHH energy". fixed superscript - MirrorCard
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Post by Gouki on Dec 21, 2004 20:17:25 GMT -5
I don't think he can be 'forcing', The Janitor and Josie 2 togather, since in Culture it was the Janitor who offered to work with her ("There is a place you can go"). And you can't say he granted Tyler his powers without saying he caused alot of the related events, since it was the same "BHH energy". There's no evidence that the Janitor was expecting her to return. Which is why he was questioning her motives in Stopwatch/Transference. The BHH energy did give Tyler his powers, yes, but I maintain that it was Avenir who made them permanent. Not just going through the wormhole. corrected quote - MirrorCard
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Post by Moiself on Dec 22, 2004 11:17:17 GMT -5
How does Professor Middleton tie in with everything? He seems to know a lot, too. He looked shifty, firstly, in Wormhole (first episode, right?) when Lucas goes down to deliver his science paper. And then also in Tesseract he's all knowing and stuff. Could he be working with Avenir?
Or maybe he is, like the science club, trying to find out what happened based on facts and things that have happened to him. Maybe someone from the future/past contacted him. For example, Josie2; Sarah; Mr Avenir; the Janitor
Sorry, am just forcing myself into your conversation: Hi! I'm new. From the UK, not that it matters: just that I'm perpetually confused about BHH because of the weirdness of the recent foxkids episodes. They're all.. jumbled.
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Post by ShIvErS! on Mar 26, 2005 19:10:56 GMT -5
TEXTI'm not so sure about sarah being the bad one. i mean, she looked honestly concerned about her son but then again, even Darth Vader cared about Luke (stupid resemblance, don't mind me) Anyway, I thougth the same of Victor, that he wasn't that bad and in Inquiry we realize he's not, he's just got a lot of secrets going on. Sarah is weird but, sorry I don't know! I just think POOR VAUGHN!!!!!! :(Everyone tells him his dad is evil and now his mother!!! ***tearsmeg**** :'(He's messed up!!!
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Post by {88Keys} on Mar 26, 2005 23:22:53 GMT -5
He's on the sidelines manipulating every single one of them into his own plan. Or thats how I see it. You read my mind. I was just about to say I see him as the puppetmaster, pulling everyone's strings. (Metallica's "Master of Puppets" will be in my head all night now.)
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