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Post by TheKat on May 6, 2004 0:09:45 GMT -5
ITA (Scottfab)
I'm all about the C/M but more so for the C/V but to make you all rest easy, I think its fair to say there is too much reading into whether or not Marshall likes Corrine or vice versa (he should be so lucky to get a girl like Corrine).
Anyways, the idea of the mirror was to show people that there are "two sides to everyone." I agree Marshall does like Corrine, they do spend a lot of time together and their relationship seems to be growing slowly and thats wonderful.
I personally see it as a healthy relationship with room for growth. Marshall is doing his thing and he wants Corrine to do hers, he didn't seem to have a problem with working on the project together. If he felt indifferent it would have been akward and probably would have put some distance between them but they seemed cool with the whole hanging out together thing as we've seen in episodes after the infamous "Hemispheres".
I'm pretty sure he could have worked with Lucas or Vaughn (who did work with Vaughn?) She could have worked with Josie, but I guess not, if he likes spending late nights in her room and she likes him there; hey, why not (makes me wonder how the "good-night" was).
Well, that's my piece, we'll see how everything pans out in the third season, but for now, let's just take what they give us and not be so over analytical ;D
thekat
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Post by HailStorm on May 6, 2004 7:43:11 GMT -5
*sigh* I can't shake the feeling that somewhere along the line that somebody is being underestimated. And it's either Jim and the writers or the children of today. At a stretch, I could follow this kind of stuff when I was 12. And I grew up watching Saved by the Bell But surely analysing and over-analysing is the duty of a fandom obsessive? Without it there just wouldn't be any point. We might as well all just type [Insert Name Here] is so hott/cute/cool over and over again. I might as well eat my keyboard as I'd have no better use for it. Now I may just be speaking for me here but isn't it normal to go all out for something you're passionate about? Now look at Harry Potter. Those are childrens books yet have a dark, complicated story behind them and the better parts of the fandom analyse and theorise the b'jaysus out of it. People have written books on it observing the physical lawas of it's univers and looking at it's religious and spiritual elements. Now I'm not saying we should go that far but I am saying we should encourage analytical behaviour. Your head is not just a hat stand! Now in the immortal words of my pinnie friend Ferris: *headdesk*
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Post by prettyinpink12 on May 6, 2004 22:41:35 GMT -5
I second that Hail! Thats why we are here. To analyze the show, because we are all so passionate about it. I mean hell, I wake up just to watch this show and then I go right back to sleep. Whats the point of being here if we dont analyze the stuff we see on the show.
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Post by TheKat on May 6, 2004 22:57:47 GMT -5
It is good to analyse but not to the point where people go off on a tangent that has no relevancy what so ever. i.e regurgitating lessons from school and trying to adapt them to situations like this. Especially, since not all of us are majors in that area and don't really care to read it ;D Sorry but I felt it needed to be said . thekat
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Post by MirrorCard on May 7, 2004 0:18:31 GMT -5
Vulcans do not eat cookies.......... I'll just go to Indigo for my cookie weren't the mirror characters actors? mirror marshall was an actor, not a singer. actor who has to sing = mirror marshall. singer who does not act in a performance or anything = normal marshall this idea was obviously played with. the mirror world could have merely been a hypothetical version of what would have happened if Marshall was more intuned with emotions. But because he is not, that merely will stay as a different version of reality, at least for the near future. Yes, something we have to think about. The writers may have not gone too far into this. They have only played with the idea or else it would have been in the normal world. Remember people, the whole series has not been planned out with changes going on as the plot gains detail. Some of these plots were merely winged and then left off (some got picked back up). There may be no plans to pursue the plot. *goes philosophical: "To be or not to be , that is the question. This episode I've seen, is it a record of what will be, or only of what may?"*
*looks at TheKat* that's the type of thought that gets rumors spread around a school. Reminds me of a Scout's Safari episode..... I'd like to see that happen on BHH. Just the kind of thing to get Corrine and Marshall together (or at least thinking about other things to do than homework when up late in a bedroom )
I don't know, children of today don't like to see a lot of thinking required in what they watch. You just come home from school and turn on the tv. what one of the last things you want to do? think. One must really try thinking to discover the psychological actions going on in a tv show (the fake kind, like in 7th Heaven, or the real kind, like in M*A*S*H* MASH was real psychology).
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Post by prettyinpink12 on May 7, 2004 0:25:09 GMT -5
M*A*SH also has the best tv theme song that was ever made!!!! (ok off topic....)
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Post by Mac on May 7, 2004 0:30:13 GMT -5
weren't the mirror characters actors? mirror marshall was an actor, not a singer. actor who has to sing = mirror marshall. singer who does not act in a performance or anything = normal marshall this idea was obviously played with. the mirror world could have merely been a hypothetical version of what would have happened if Marshall was more intuned with emotions. But because he is not, that merely will stay as a different version of reality, at least for the near future. It was a performance school, not just acting. Corrine was singing, not acting, to stay in the school. I'm pretty sure MirrorMarshall is an extension of the Magnet 360 side of Marshall, if he unlocked his emotions and dressed up funny. The point was showing what would happen if the people were more right brained and emotional. Josie would be pink (Culture reveals she's not as anti-pink as we believe), Vaughn would be more accepting of being a bookworm instead of a jock (Brainwaves reveals he likes books), Lucus would be more accepting of himself instead of being so insecure and prone to bullying by the Kubiak he's directing in Hamlet (sorry, no evidence). Marshall here is the logical extension of what would happen if Marhsall was less chemistry and more magnetism (as in Magnet 360). And what they were saying is that he'd be more actively pursuing Corrine instead of taking the passive role he's taking now. But since they seem to be making his character ever more asssertive, I think he'll make his move in season 3.
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Post by MirrorCard on May 7, 2004 0:39:51 GMT -5
irrelevant, she was not a part of the school's performance. sorry to shoot that down and act all arrogant. performance, yes. this was the type of performace that involved acting, right? I thought the point was just exploring the traits of the two sides of the brain. aren't I just linear thinking? isn't that what we all are saying? what? yeah, the mirror world demonstrated that since it is not the way it is in the real world. this is the type of thing that we need a writer to explain. *imagines: writer - "you've all over thought this too much. we all sat down with chinese food and had thumb war battles over how the story for this episode would go. Apparently we got extremely lucky with the results."* or *imagines: writer - "It was actually a dream one of us had. we were going to pass it up."*
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Post by prettyinpink12 on May 7, 2004 1:07:10 GMT -5
Well said Scottfab! So MirrorCard... If they were only meant to act how come when Z and Durst were trying to figure a way to keep Corrine in the school and not look suspicious to Victor, Z said "I can teach you to sing"? That proves that it was a school for THE ARTS. (acting, music, dance....) I know I've been doing that stuff my entire life, and I am a musical theater major in college.
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Post by Mac on May 7, 2004 1:44:31 GMT -5
HS, you went from trying to overanalyze this episode to prove why mirror marshall and marshall arent related to shooting down everything I try to say by saying I'm overthinking and that we need a writer's answer.
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Post by HailStorm on May 7, 2004 7:05:48 GMT -5
Eh? Not guilty. Please quote the exact location where I said that I didn't learn that stuff in school. It was peiced together by reading Terry Pratchett and having common sense, a knowedge of very basic psychology (the kind of stuff you could read in a newspaper) and thinking logically. And it is the duty of an obsessive to analyse well beyond the point of relevancy and common interest (seeing as common interest usually stops around 'so and so is so cute' and 'i fink so and so and such and such should go out dey r so cute!!1shiftonetwo111!) and what is considered healthy by non-obsessives. That's why it's called obsession. The thing is though that as soon as you create an alternate reality, it's just that, an alternate reality. Any sci-fi writer worth his salt knows that, same with sci-fi fans. So whether or not it was intended to be analysed and scruitinised it has been and will be and great meaning can be gleamed from it. If you use an alternate reality, you're effectively creating a monster. I fear for our future. Now when I was growing up I watched a mix of eductional programes (How2, Blue Peter (which I still watch... even if it's only because I plan to marry Matt and live on his farm in Durham )) and non-eductional (Saved by the Bell, Clarissa Explains it all). And I didn't necesarily think a great deal about any of them. And I turned out relatively fine. Maybe because I also read a lot and played lots of pretend games? So many children today seem so lazy and dull LoL I wonder where this thing about Marshall being out of touch with his emotions comes from? Being in touch with your emotions does not mean being ruled by them - it means feeling them, understanding them and understanding when displaying them would be appropriate. Marshall does seem to bottle up what he percieves as negative emotions (like jealousy and envy (see Invisible, Chemistry) but seems happy to display his 'positive' emotions (like his happiness, his friendliness, humor) and if you watch radio you will also see openly angry but in-control!Marshall and you'll notice the distinctly pained look on his face in Nutrition. And don't forget ranty! and huggy!Marshall in Invisible (I can see how you can get glomping Corrine, Josie, Z and schnuggling Lucas confused with not being in touch with your emotions *sarcasm*) He's in control of his emotions, not out of touch with them. I'd also like to know why anybody would think Marshall was not creative. He is a singer, a good pianist, humerous (humor=creative) and we see in equation that he also does photography (btw: yes, he had just hung up the Corrine photo a split second before Lucas started glowing, he didn't make a special effort to cover that one in particular, he covered the nearest. I re-watched equation to check that and I was right) Thinking about it, out of the science club I would class Marshall as second most-creative after Josie (remember the drawings in her journal and the colourful celtic knotwork on the CD she gave to Corrine? ) Josie=somewhat arty.
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Post by heatherbeck2002 on May 7, 2004 9:35:44 GMT -5
I really think that someone should ask Jim what the meaning of/behind Hemispheres was. Hopefully he'll say something...er, I don't know... New?
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Post by HailStorm on May 7, 2004 11:13:23 GMT -5
Yes, it would be nice. But it might give too much away or something - he may prefer to leave it to our personal interpretation for now. I wish they'd had made Hemispheres a two-parter. that would have been so good. But I suppose they don't have room to do that for episodes that don't reveal a great deal of the larger plot. D'you know what I'd like? To one or some of the mirror-characters come through to the 'real' universe. I think having Mirror-Marshall come through to look for Corrine would resolve some issues (one way or the other) and also bring some good drama. I think also, seeing the two Marshall's together would highlight the huge differences between them (the biggest on I can think of is inferred by the mirror-shove incident - there's a point. Marshall and mirroor-Marshall really aren't that similar if Mirror-Marshall would do something like that. Remeber what I said about Marshall putting up with his own pain so as not to hurt others? Shoving the mirror would be hurting another (Corrine was v. upset when she thought she would never go home) to allay his own pain of losing a girl he liked.)
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Post by MirrorCard on May 7, 2004 17:38:12 GMT -5
It was thought that she came through the wormhole. Of couse they were going to try to help Corrine.
proves nothing. That is actually a mistake. Corrine could sing perfectly without Prof Z's guidence (episode: "Storm")
yes, that's what i've said. That means that Mirror Marshall was acting, not just singing. Normal marshall would only have been singing.
I said that! wow, I'm cute enough to be HailStorm? that's scary *thinks if i ever saw a pic of HailStorm* to the point: I was basically saying that this appears that only a writer can settle which way this episode was supposed to go. By the nature of filler episodes, they aren't supposed to go too far (and are more prone to mistakes, i think). Nutrition, I think, really didn't do anything for Josie's and Vaughn's relationship that another episode could not have done better. As we know, Nutrition's plot is totally confined to that episode. the little writer imaginary quotes were meant as jokes. I'm sorry we were unable to get any laughs.
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Post by AuenDestiny on May 7, 2004 23:11:09 GMT -5
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