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Post by MirrorCard on Aug 2, 2004 17:12:10 GMT -5
When you type the letter "a" that is not the way the computer sees it. I'll explain further indepth later, when there's time.
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Post by Gouki on Aug 3, 2004 0:44:56 GMT -5
Uh, what about my sig? Do I have to change that now? I mean, it's the Real Folk Blues and all. And what about Scotts going away thread which is filled with French? Or the interesting facts which has Japanese and poor translations by me?
**thanks you for telling us of the threads. I have deleted the links posted to protect the innocent.**
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Post by MirrorCard on Aug 3, 2004 1:30:22 GMT -5
yes, that means signatures and avatar text as well
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Post by Gouki on Aug 3, 2004 5:19:38 GMT -5
Frelling hezmana.
Is sci-fi speak allowed? It's not really English, but it's noteally any language.
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Post by HailStorm on Aug 3, 2004 9:15:34 GMT -5
The odd word or phrase (like frelling, hoopy frood or even indeed smegging-smegorama) are okay. just don't write reams of klingon or sandarin or owt.
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Post by MirrorCard on Aug 3, 2004 15:27:34 GMT -5
Frelling hezmana. Is sci-fi speak allowed? It's not really English, but it's noteally any language. great, now we get to experience every arguement the other forum puts up with. If sci-fi speak is a language different from English, then it is not allowed. Basically, the rule of made up things is that if an English speaking person can't understand it, don't write it.
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Post by HailStorm on Aug 3, 2004 16:47:01 GMT -5
Does that mean we can ban text-speak? ;D (not that I'd relish finding all of the text speak and getting rid of it. Enough on the plate already, methinks.
Surely though, one or two very occasional words or phrases can't hurt? Surely the proboards staff have much more important things to do with their time than punish everybody who occasionally, in a rash moment of flair, calls their friends amigos or says 'merci' if somebody does something nice for them? And what about dialects? I have a very idiosyncratic dialect that comes from watching far too much TV and reading a great deal - lots of English speaking people from the US wouldn't know what I was on about if I said 'There's nowt on TV' but then millions of northern English people and Corrie watchers would and that's english, is 'owt' it's colloquial English as spoken in England, absolutely 100% the genuine article. It is actually more English than American colloquialisms (like dude, for one example) due to the fact that, well, it's directly from England! And jargon and technical terms? What if somebody here was a big fan of ballet? Would they not be allowed to enthuse about the quality of their favourite dancer's pirrouettes? How about the use of acronyms? not everybody here is going to know that P.O. stands for Post office. It could stand for anything. Like Polo Operation. Pink Octopus. Purring Openly.
What I'm trying to say is that I think we're seriously over-reacting here. We don't need to get rid of every tiny little bit of non-English, otherwise we'd be here forever, correcting spelling, grammar, getting rid of random words and it would kill us. I wouldn't do that for money, let alone for free! I think we need to take a deep breath, calm down and have a nice cup of tea. We are not violating the terms of service, an English speaking person could esily read all of this board and, if they watch the show, get most of it (I'm saying most because they might not get the 'in' jokes or the randomosity but that's not violating terms of service, it's being a group of individuals.) I actually think that our board is pretty user-friendly as we do discourage txt-spk (which most reasonable English speakers find hard to understand), we don't use the leet speak or whatever and we moderate carefully (making sure things stay in the right place, reasonbly on topic, within the rules, without swearing etc.). And how would any anime board survive? You can't have a board dedicated to anime without using occasional Japanese phrasing because it's integral to the artform. And yet there are plenty.
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Post by Joe on Aug 3, 2004 18:11:22 GMT -5
Darn it! Now you'll have to get rid of the posts I wrote in tongues? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Disclaimer: For those who didn't get that, it's a joke. I never posted anything in tongues cause that'd be impossible, which is why my statement was ironic, and therfore, a poor attempt at saying something humorous. P.S. My signature graphic, when translated, reads "I can't type so I just write on the screen with crayon"
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Post by MirrorCard on Aug 4, 2004 1:47:58 GMT -5
Does that mean we can ban text-speak? ;D (not that I'd relish finding all of the text speak and getting rid of it. what is this text-speak? if you mean the smilies, those aren't words. Surely the proboards staff have much more important things to do with their time than punish everybody who occasionally, in a rash moment of flair, calls their friends amigos or says 'merci' if somebody does something nice for them? apparently they are quite bored . Actually, it is a way to speed up the servers. Whenever someone complains of servers being slow, someone always comments with the remark "why don't you go looking for forums violating the TOS? The most common is the use of foreign languages." then the forum gets reported, deleted, and the server runs a slight bit faster. This came up in the thread too, the dialects of English, such as English as spoken in England as opposed to American. The dialect of the English does not matter for it is a dialect of English and is therefore English (or that's how I explain it). How about the use of acronyms? not everybody here is going to know that P.O. stands for Post office. It could stand for anything. Like Polo Operation. Pink Octopus. Purring Openly. the acronym is English. You could say that about any acronym. Take it to ProBoards support. What I'm trying to say is that I think we're seriously over-reacting here. ... We are not violating the terms of service,... - from Terms of Service. maybe I am over reacting. I have read 3000+ posts and I am a bit off the rocker. Or maybe you haven't been to the ProBoards support forum. And how would any anime board survive? You can't have a board dedicated to anime without using occasional Japanese phrasing because it's integral to the artform. And yet there are plenty. that issue was raised. They are expected to conform to all English. here, the making of the artform more realistic by saying some Japanese is illegal. Any forum with a "foreign language assistence" board, any forum with a "learn japanese [or other foreign language]" board, any forum with any sort of allowance of non-basic highly simple foreign language is deleted without exception. here is an example here of an animé forum asking if they are in violation of the rules (it also contains the dialect arguement): support.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&n=1&thread=1091214152 - Ryan, ProBoards.com Staff don't let the word "excess" fool you. It is not confined to "flooded all over the forum" but into lesser things. before we looked through it, we definitely could have qualified for deletion. *bangs on Enter key* The occasional "hi!" is alright. Anything casual enough that it is accepted as english, like "RSVP" It is clear that almost none of you have been to ProBoards support or else you would not be arguing with me. YOU MAY NOT HAVE:*teachings: such as [japanese word] = "brother" *offer translations: such as "You can type in Spanish and I'll translate it for you" *post in another language: such as saying "My name is ___. How are you today?" in French. *Non-English in your signature or avatar text Do not argue it with me (said more like a plea, not a command). Go to ProBoards support and take it up with them (or search "non-english" or "foreign languages" or "Rule 11" (the no binary code rule) or something along those lines). They will tell you what we have said here. Everything I have said has come from there. Do not ask me about exceptions, ask them! If you wish to try to get away with it, you may try it (Just tell me so I don't delete the post). All I know is that there were 3 members here who have to have their posts non-English free (AuenDestiny was not one of them).
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Post by HailStorm on Aug 4, 2004 12:34:55 GMT -5
Sorry if I came off like I was having a go at you, but I too have been through over 3000 posts and was totally losing my rag, my marbles and all sense of proportion. This would be a whole lot easier if the Proboards team used more precise, less ambiguous language (ie. how do they define excess?). that seems like a needlessly vicious way of doing things. Doesn't exactly encourage community spirit, does it? I'd say it encourages ruthlessness and backstabbing, actually. Not the kind of company I'd like to keep (why can't there be a company specifically for nice people? ) Now I'm becoming bitter as well as annoyed. But some English-speakers may not recognise it as English, tell the Staff, and the staff delete the board. Which is totally unfair, even thought they are within their right, as stated by the terms of service (as this place is free) etc. etc. Which is utterly pants! So they wouldn't be allowed to use Japanese definitions for the characters, or say what type of Anime it is? I'm not understanding this very well. Note: Please, everybody, help us out! Do as thorough a search of your posts as you can and modify any that you think need modifying to comply with the TOS that we may have missed. And if you see anybody else's posts, please PM a mod with the link to the thread! Thankyou!Oh! I have another question: What about links to websites that aren't in english (like the Dutch FK site or VRAK, which is in French)? They're alright, aren't they?
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Post by Mac on Aug 4, 2004 19:15:34 GMT -5
wow, that's psychotic. I'd called them stupid I feel rejecteds, but I think I feel rejected has french roots.
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Post by AuenDestiny on Aug 4, 2004 19:21:34 GMT -5
The VRAK website is 100% French therefore not in accordance with the TOS...the VRAK thread should be deleted...and the poster pic is mostly in French too on page one...no ads for websites containing 100% non-English should be posted on the forums...VRAK should be deleted...
I could possibly post the synopses in two threads...one for Season 1 and another for Season 2...not in the ad section though...and they could be stickied...they are useful episode guides...
My posts now seem to be non-English free...not counting the remaining VRAK posts which the entire VRAK thread should be deleted...edited the last ones (my posts) I could find containing non-English myself...so I appear to be in compliance with the TOS guidelines...
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Post by MirrorCard on Aug 4, 2004 22:23:05 GMT -5
This would be a whole lot easier if the Proboards team used more precise, less ambiguous language (ie. how do they define excess?). their definition is 100% English. Anything more than a casual, might as well be an English word, word is not acceptable. So they wouldn't be allowed to use Japanese definitions for the characters, or say what type of Anime it is? I'm not understanding this very well. Japanese definitions for characters? I don't understand. all descriptions would most likely need to be of their English equivilant. What about links to websites that aren't in english (like the Dutch FK site or VRAK, which is in French)? They're alright, aren't they? I believe those are alright. ...the VRAK thread should be deleted... I don't know. It was not just Au that posted in that thread. Why should it be deleted? (I think this thread stand of higher importance to be deleted over a lot of other things.....) When you type the letter "a" that is not the way the computer sees it. I'll explain further indepth later, when there's time. alright, basically, a computer has its own language called "binary code." When you type a letter, "a" for example, the computer does not see it as a single symbol but a series of numbers, only 0s and 1s, representing that symbol. in deciphering the symbol, there are a certain amount of columns. 256, 128, 64, 32, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1 (I believe are the designations or else I'm horribly mixed up) are where the number goes. in each goes a zero and a one depending on what symbol you want.
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Post by HailStorm on Aug 5, 2004 7:58:34 GMT -5
They have specialist terms to label types of characters, don't they? (Not that it's important because we're not an anime board)
Maybe if we delete everything in the VRAK thread except for the link and the babelfish link and keep it locked. We don't need the episode guides as everybody here knows their way to TV Tome where there's also things like the cast list, cast pages, and the guides have notes and quotes and stuff.
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Post by {88Keys} on Aug 5, 2004 16:46:25 GMT -5
<88Keys goes back and edits all her posts to include phrases in foreign languages just to confuse moderators.>
NOTE: Just kidding; I'll be on the lookout for missed posts.
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