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Post by Raskolnikov on Nov 19, 2004 20:43:51 GMT -5
Me like Katya but i need to know more about her. Yes your right Kaytee, Lucas is purposely seting himself for heartbreak.
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Post by HailStorm on Nov 20, 2004 4:55:54 GMT -5
Nah, they shouldn't bring Katya back, she was just a means to an end (a prop to get Lucas to learn to be confident before the whole messy triangle formed) It would be really fake and cheesy if they brought her back, a bit like watching a Mary-Sue fanfiction unfold on screen. And I think we'll all agree that Allure already has that covered, even though it sort of did it on purpose Maybe he isn't ready for a relationship so subconciously keeps going for something he knows he can't have? Even though it looks incredibly painful (and humiliating), he gets to experience flutters of romance, experience real teenage anngst, keep up with his peers (you know, show that he has an interest in that side of life lest they label him Monk Boy) but without having to deal with the responsibilities and pressures that being in a relationship can bring. It's because he's a romantic - not a hearts and flowers romantic, just somebody who idealises things - he's probably secretly having a grand old time with all that drama - the passion, the intrigue, the mistrust, the sneaking around. But because he's Lucas and his lines between reality and his imagination are almost non-existent, it's all become too real. And he also doesn't know where to stop. What do you expect from a kid who 'doesn't know the meaning of failure'? Woo! I haven't done speculative character analysis like that for ages. I'M BACK, BABY! Yeah! *boogies*
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Post by Raskolnikov on Nov 20, 2004 11:01:21 GMT -5
Yup yup you are right. I might have done that too without knowing. I like your character analysis of Lucas Hailstorm. It made me think more.
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Post by TheKat on Nov 20, 2004 11:30:43 GMT -5
Ok, my mind has changed yet again. I don't want for Lucas to have a girlfriend. I think I like him better just gawking over girls and totally caught up in theories. yep, that's how I like him. Oh, and as I have stated before, I think Lucas is only into achieving a goal and not really into long term stuff. Like Katya, what ever happened to her? He didn't seem broken over it, he just saw it as a challenge, he suceeded and poof! Was done... yall, I'm thinking Lucas is a playa Kaytee (doom, doom)
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Post by Raskolnikov on Nov 21, 2004 19:33:43 GMT -5
What an playa. Yes is best for him to be alone I know he will find his patner but not now.
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Post by TheKat on Nov 23, 2004 13:51:01 GMT -5
It is what Lucas is... anybody care to explain? I'm afarid my explanation wouldn't be so cool.
Kaytee
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Post by Mac on Nov 23, 2004 14:46:33 GMT -5
anybody care to explain? I'm afarid my explanation wouldn't be so cool. No, Lucas does not simply get with girls, get physical, and move on to the next when he's bored. Lucas is quite the opposite. He's stubbornly persisiting on one girl who doesnt like him.
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Post by TheKat on Nov 23, 2004 16:45:40 GMT -5
How do you know? This may be a bit PI but we don't know what goes on behind closed doors... Ok, I'll stop
Kaytee
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Post by Raskolnikov on Nov 23, 2004 20:30:28 GMT -5
No, Lucas does not simply get with girls, get physical, and move on to the next when he's bored. Lucas is quite the opposite. He's stubbornly persisiting on one girl who doesnt like him. I was being sarcasic. I know he isnt a player.
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Post by Kirstyyy; on Nov 24, 2004 14:12:47 GMT -5
I was being sarcasic. I know he isnt a player. i was guna say lol! i htought you were being serious!! lol - thats stress for ya!
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Post by TheKat on Nov 24, 2004 20:21:29 GMT -5
I'm going to stick with my theory on Lucas "tha playa" Randall. He's not interested in any relationship with a girl... oh let me re-phrase that, any long term relationship with a girl. Lucas is a bonafide, grade "A" playa!!! Why did he want to go out with Katya? He knew she wasn't gonna stick around, so why not justtry it and poof, nothing else. I tell yall.... P L A Y A... he's all about the game Kaytee
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Post by Kirstyyy; on Nov 25, 2004 15:15:02 GMT -5
I'm going to stick with my theory on Lucas "tha playa" Randall. He's not interested in any relationship with a girl... oh let me re-phrase that, any long term relationship with a girl. Lucas is a bonafide, grade "A" playa!!! Why did he want to go out with Katya? He knew she wasn't gonna stick around, so why not justtry it and poof, nothing else. I tell yall.... P L A Y A... he's all about the game Kaytee no i dont think so! i dont think he thought she wasent staying! i think she was just a girl he liked and so he was trying to get over josie - didnt work though!!
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Post by HailStorm on Nov 25, 2004 16:22:14 GMT -5
no i dont think so! i dont think he thought she wasent staying! i think she was just a girl he liked and so he was trying to get over josie - didnt work though!! The problem with that theory though is that Genome happened before Brainwaves, which is the episode that kick started the triangle - Lucas showed no real sign of liking Josie a lot before that episode, so he can't have been trying to get over Josie, he didn't have anything to get over at that point. But I don't really think he's a 'playa' ( ). He seemed to like Katya because she was new and exotic and he appeared to know some Italian so it's not too out there to suppose that he had visions of wooing her with his ability to cnverse with her in her native tongue. Lucas is a romantic, a fantasist - he saw a pretty new girl and thought "Oh wow! I bet she's really cool and nice and smart and interesting and we have things in common but not so much in common that she isn't facinating" he didn't actually know her at all, he fancied the idea of going out with her - chances are that, as she got sucked up into Madison's 'gravity sphere of popularity' (or whatever it was he called it) so quickly and easily, they probably wouldn't have had very much in common after all. And he can't have found the real Katya that facinating and cool or otherwise we would have seen her a great deal more (I beleive she had like 1 line in Ecosystem and has not been seen since". That's part of why I don't think J/L, if it came to be, would last. i don't think he'd stop being friends with Josie but right now he's got this idea in his head that going out with her would be an amazing, magical experience - he sees himself as a sort of struggling anti-hero, put upon by the world not understanding him, not being beleived about how evil Vaugh obviously is, he thinks he can save Josie and that when he does, she'l;l turn around and say "Oh, lucas, how could ever have doubted you? Come, let's visit a series of exciting places and look really cool doing so, and then have some sort of James Bond/Mission Impossible montage of us working together with lots of fancy gadgets and spy clothes. And then we'll sit in a cafe and have coffee and watch Vaughn sitting across the room looking really, really jealous." Whereas in truth, well, there'll be no exciting spy montage and he'd probably end up being dragged around like a rag doll and if he showed any sign of dissent, there'd be a row and a risk of them breaking up. She just doesn't respect him enough and he doesn't actually respect himself enough. I think that's why a lot of people ship J/L aswell - they're optimists, idealists. In an ideal world, yes the heroine would pick the lovely, dedicated little rascall who's so cute and we all adore... But that would be far too easy. It's really cute and fluffy in fanfics but I think the show generally aims for a more dramatic and star-cross'd theme, which Lucas who has no impediment to seeing Josie, doesn't really provide. Part of me would really like to see J/L, actually. But I'd rather see him get over her healthily, in time, and realise that he should at least try to think rationally before he goes chasing fantasies. And I'd like to see her show him a little appreciation. I know it must actually be quite annoying for her but you've got to admit, he does mean well and he is trying to help her as best he can (even if behind that there is the slightly selfish motive of wanting to go out with her - but there aren't many truly unselfish deeds you can find in the world and us who live in glass houses shouldn't trow stones).
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Post by TheKat on Nov 25, 2004 17:12:11 GMT -5
All I'm saying is that in "Echolocation" Lucas said he thought it would be fun to go out with Josie. Now I don't know what his interpretation of fun is, but with his past dating there's always a smile exchanged the next day ;D (re: "Genome")
Kaytee
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Post by Mac on Nov 25, 2004 19:32:01 GMT -5
Wow, deep analysis, HS.
Maybe Lucas feels like he's saving Josie from Vaughn because Vaughn used to make fun of Lucas. He doesnt just see Vaughn as "son of the villain", he sees him as a bully too. Except, he just doesnt see that Vaughn has changed and that he was never mean to Josie, because he has a tendency to polarize things too much into "good/right" and "evil/wrong".
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