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Post by MirrorCard on Nov 25, 2004 21:19:25 GMT -5
not being beleived about how evil Vaugh obviously is, he thinks he can save Josie and that when he does, she'll turn around and say "Oh, lucas, how could ever have doubted you? so, something like: Lucas: "Josie, I'm going to save you!" Josie: "look, I like causing trouble. Go away. I'll hurt you..." I think that's why a lot of people ship J/L aswell - they're optimists, idealists. In an ideal world, yes the heroine would pick the lovely, dedicated little rascall who's so cute and we all adore... But that would be far too easy. well, J/V is just cliché. What are we left with? J/M? That'll be one for the short run. J/Tyler? that's just nasty *lol*. Though, I guess that does make J/L a pairing of optimists. Basically, those who ship that way are saying "we hope the show will escape the cliché and go with this pair." I really think Lucas would be hopelessly attached to a girl if he liked her and she liked him as well. That's not really a good thing though, to be hopelessly attached to someone. It means that person would even try to kill you and you'd still like them. very unhealthy especially if they do try to kill you.
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Post by HailStorm on Nov 26, 2004 4:18:32 GMT -5
Kaytee! I'm shocked! And yet, somehow, not all that surprised... Ah, yes, that probably is a factor. If Vaughn is the son of the 'bad guy' and used to bully him, that would stick him firmly in the evil category - as Lucas is not the son of the bad guy and didn't ully anybody, that would make him good. Ergo, if Vaughn is evil and Lucas good and they compete for Josie's affections, if he wins, he is saving her, he's a hero, cue 'riding through feilds of wildfowers in Medieval costume on a white horse while 'Love lifts us up where we belong' plays in the background' montage XD I think that about covers it While there are elements of J/V that have become cliched (the 'our parents want us apart, but we want to be... together...' thing, for starters.) it's not all bad. And a well played cliche can sometimes work better than a poorly done hugely original thing - for one thing, hugely original things can sometimes be too original and just confuse and annoy the audience because it doesn't make sense in comparison to human nature, secondly, auidences generally tend to like what they know. To steal an example from The Truth by Terry Prattchett: People don't like news, they like olds. "Dog bites man" will sell a paper, "Man bites dog" will not. And it has to fit with the characters which J/V does do. Freud would love it you know, Vaughn has fallen for a girl who, unbeknownst to him, is spookily alike to his mother in her forthright, domineering personality. And Josie naturally picks the option that brings the most chaos every time. She has a choice between a slighly insane young man who is actually very nice, and who's parent's only objections to her would be that she didn't take her shoes off when she came into their house, or a young man with a dark secret, who lost his mother, struggles with his father and has a direct line to the weird things she longs to investigate -there's also, his father to contend with, a person who dislikes her immediately and vehemently (and the feeling is mutual). Biggest chaos factor? Vaughn? Who does she pick? Probably Vaughn. I don't know, actually, it seems that way but then Lucas is quite a random person - he has sudden changes of behaviour and mind set and the slightest thing can be the trigger. At the end of Genome, Katya seemed to like him still (the smile and little wave) and yet he hasn't been devoted to her ever since - the very next episode, he starts liking Josie (stupid Vaughn - I still blame him and that 'it was your lips doing the work though' thing.). I really do think he prefers trying for something than actually having it. Once the 'I've won! I've won!' euphoria has worn off, who knows what he'd do? He may be hopelessly, blindly attached for quite a while and then have a sudden realisation. Or he may get bored pretty quickly. Or he may be tagging along for life (possibly a short one. Depends if she tries to kill him or not .) Or he may flip-flop (yes, one minute, no the next, then yes, marry me! Then No, the wedding is off! continue unitl one of themgets tired and injures the other)
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Post by TheKat on Nov 26, 2004 12:12:06 GMT -5
that's because he's a P L A Y A!!! P L A Y A!!! P L A Y A!!! P L A Y A!!! P L A Y A!!! ------- Well, I'll give my piece (not like I haven't before, but its nothing to do with Lucas being a 'playa' this time). As a former J/L shipper, I would like to say my support wasn't due to the fact that I was against J/V. I personally don't think Josie and Vaughn have enough between them to ship at all. Going back to Genome, she was just admiring his throwing, or as we girls, and some guys know his open shirt which showed off his marina... ok his body as he threw. To me, Josie and Vaughn are as close as Corrine and Marshall; meaning their relationship seems the same way to me in that 'when did it first start?'. How ever those who don't ship C/M I would like to point out, whatever you have against their ship is probably how I feel about J/V. It's not even just because the rebel girl falls for the jock, because I don't see it that way. I used to ship J/L because those two seemed like they could handle one another's personality. There would always be conflict, thus something interesting to watch. They are so set in their ways, hell would have to freeze over before they agree with each others extreme theory. I also think they have more in common in that they both want to get to the bottom of the mystery. Vaughn is stagnant in finding out anything because his dad and because I really don't think he's that interested. This now brings me to my new ship of C/V. Now I haven't seen 'Friction' yet but something tells me its one episode I will pay very close attention to... As far as Lucas goes, he's a playa, I don't really see him settling down with anyone yet... if ya know what I mean... I apologize I said I wouldn't mention it And Josie, I think she's a hopeless romantic inside who is yearning to find that special somebody. I think she has some hopes it's Vaughn but to me to fufill that conventional rebel/ jock ship. We've seen it in all the movies, and I'm thinking she has too. Another thing in 'Stopwatch' when they came back from the date it wasn't really full of sparks, it was actually pretty brutal to have to sit through and watch just how flat their chemistry was. Kaytee
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Post by Mac on Nov 26, 2004 12:30:49 GMT -5
The J/V ship has pretty much been sailing since Magnet, Josie wasnt really interested in Lucas during Brainwaves and only perked up when they found out it was really Vaughn, and I thought Stopwatch was typical teenage awkward, but sparkish anyway. JL has never had a moment where they've been interested in each other. She's shown some friend concern for him, but really, more contempt than compassion.
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Post by TheKat on Nov 26, 2004 13:29:31 GMT -5
I didn't really see anything during 'magnet' please refresh.
Kaytee
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Post by MirrorCard on Nov 26, 2004 13:30:48 GMT -5
To steal an example from The Truth by Terry Prattchett: People don't like news, they like olds. "Dog bites man" will sell a paper, "Man bites dog" will not. *rotfl* that got a good laugh from me. I'll be repeating that one. (stupid Vaughn - I still blame him and that 'it was your lips doing the work though' thing.). That line just sounds nasty. He may be hopelessly, blindly attached for quite a while and then have a sudden realisation. Or he may get bored pretty quickly. Or he may be tagging along for life (possibly a short one. Depends if she tries to kill him or not .) Or he may flip-flop (yes, one minute, no the next, then yes, marry me! Then No, the wedding is off! continue unitl one of themgets tired and injures the other) well, it probably depends on the person. Katya didn't seem like se was very entertaining for Lucas. Josie could keep Lucas interested, I'm sure. Thing is, like I said in by last post, Josie liking being a bad girl probably won't play too well with Lucas once he realizes he has Josie. so, this relationship would start strong but dwindle off *bubble bursts* *considers what Kaytee said* She has good points. I'll have to comment later since I have to leave.
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Post by Kirstyyy; on Nov 26, 2004 14:56:17 GMT -5
The J/V ship has pretty much been sailing since Magnet, Josie wasnt really interested in Lucas during Brainwaves and only perked up when they found out it was really Vaughn, and I thought Stopwatch was typical teenage awkward, but sparkish anyway. JL has never had a moment where they've been interested in each other. She's shown some friend concern for him, but really, more contempt than compassion. yep i totally agree!! the 'i wasent doing it for you.... then i wasent thanking you' thing was the start (kinda) and then after that it just spiralled into what we now all know and love!! but yeah like you said she loves lucas in a best friend way no more - she's just confussed with her feelings as he was vaughn if you get what i mean! so it would never work out but josie and vaughn will definatly work out - it has to:D
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Post by AuenDestiny on Nov 26, 2004 21:50:32 GMT -5
the better question would be "who aren't we left with?" almost every guy, other than with the exception of Marshall and maybe Stew, becomes 'infatuated' with Josie sooner or later... *more new guys will be introduced later in Season 3 that become members of the Josie squad* she just seems to have this 'power' over guys...they can't help themselves...but she certainly can ...
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Post by TheKat on Nov 26, 2004 22:49:32 GMT -5
Not to be devil's advocate... because nobody likes working with satan, I would have to disagree. I haven't really seen any new person come in and be 'infatuated' with Josie. Seems to me many people think if someone of the male gender looks her way they are at once crazy about her. Or dare I say it, if they converse with her, that's it they are hooked. Personally, the only person to show any interest is Lucas 'the playa' Randall (sorry guys, I've gotta call him that... just for my own humor), and that's because he's a well you know. Vaughn, I can count on my fingers... probably just once... begining of "Stopwatch"-- oh the torture... I haven't seen the rest of season 3 but, there will be more comments from me in the future....
Kaytee
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Post by Mac on Nov 26, 2004 23:13:52 GMT -5
Well, we've seen up to Nanotechnology in America, and Tyler joins in the Josie obsessing.
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Post by TheKat on Nov 27, 2004 0:06:27 GMT -5
Nah, Tyler wasn't obsessing, he talks like that to everyone. Plus, he was pulling one over on her, Josie got used-- again.
Kaytee
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Post by MirrorCard on Nov 27, 2004 3:41:49 GMT -5
How ever those who don't ship C/M I would like to point out, whatever you have against their ship is probably how I feel about J/V. hum..... Except that there is a base for J/L or J/V to exist. C/M was random (which this has to be taken to a different thread. I have theory as well I want to say but it's going to be 5am here soon *stuggles with tiredness*) It's not even just because the rebel girl falls for the jock, because I don't see it that way. that's kind of how I see it *heh heh heh*. Well, I guess the most tired-and-true, never fails to be right things are clichés. As far as Lucas goes, he's a playa, I don't really see him settling down with anyone yet... *thinks.....nods head in agreement* JL has never had a moment where they've been interested in each other. She's shown some friend concern for him, but really, more contempt than compassion. and this ship is sinking *nods*. she's just confussed with her feelings as he was vaughn if you get what i mean! yeah, she was just confused since it was Lucas that she kissed so she ended up liking him as well as Vaughn. When that physical like for Lucas goes away (which it has), that mental like of Vaughn remains. well, they've broken me from this ship *sighs*
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Post by Gouki on Nov 27, 2004 4:45:29 GMT -5
I didn't really see anything during 'magnet' please refresh. Kaytee It was mostly the sparkage between them Especially the whole 'thank you' scene, after Vaughn saved their arses.
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Post by TheKat on Nov 27, 2004 11:17:35 GMT -5
The only 'sparkage' I saw was between Josie and Z and Josie and Durst-- literally... oh and when she was draining her 'powers' through the Jacoborator (sp). As you see I don't ship J/V never did and possible never will. And to be a little bit more DA (devil's advocate) J/V seems one sided. Kaytee
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Post by Gouki on Nov 27, 2004 11:46:39 GMT -5
And to be a little bit more DA (devil's advocate) J/V seems one sided. Kaytee Okay... what series have you been watching?
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