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Post by .:Shrimp:. on Apr 18, 2006 17:27:04 GMT -5
The admirers thing: I HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWING HIM AROUND! *pulls up sleeves and gets nuclear death bunnies out* I know you haven't. I just want to know if anyone has been following me around. (And don't worry, I know you haven't been following me around, Shrimp. ) As others here will testify, I am quite mad. Crazy. But that's a good thing. Lol, it was a joke (But I seriously haven't, don't take it as I did, lol). I wonder if, lol... (I know I say lol too much)
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Post by Menack on Apr 18, 2006 22:33:23 GMT -5
Gideon, I must admit you have a better understanding of people than what I was giving you credit for. That's a good thing which, unfortunately, many new members lack.
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Post by Mac on Apr 19, 2006 9:42:48 GMT -5
*pulls up sleeves and gets nuclear death bunnies out* A cousin of Mr. Bunnypants?
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Post by .:Shrimp:. on Apr 19, 2006 11:30:10 GMT -5
*pulls up sleeves and gets nuclear death bunnies out* A cousin of Mr. Bunnypants? Possibly, I'll have to ask them.
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Post by Gouki on Apr 20, 2006 20:47:58 GMT -5
What about Macs (amongst others) first admirer? I thought we banned her. Unless you were reffering to yourself. I know deep down you love me. No, we banned her good.
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 21, 2006 8:21:15 GMT -5
I realise this topic has probably been discussed to death already, but I have only recently discovered the show and so wanted to put forward some thoughts on the whole Joise/Lucas/Vaughan triangle.
I guess I should say right off the bat that my instinct is to root for Lucas - whether this is because I'm a dreamer or a geek or both I don't know, but seeing as the show is a science/sci-fi series I reckon I'm allowed to see it from the science nerd's point of view. In fact if, as Hailstorm suggests in her excellent posts, Lucas is an idealist and fantasist, where better for his dreams to turn into a reality than Blake Holsey where all sorts of emotional issues take on a very real form. Of course this doesn't mean that I think they will definitely end up together, because life just aint like that, but it doesn't stop me hoping….
Now I was reading some earlier discussion in which people were implying that the reason Lucas wants Josie is because he hates to lose. Someone wrote -
'He wants Josie just like he wants to prove Victor and Vaughn are up to no good, and just like he wants to win at cards. He hates being wrong and losing'.
But actually I'd say in many situations he wants to win not for winning's sake but BECAUSE he wants to prove his worth to Josie. Certainly that was the case with the power bar episode - winning would allow him to feel self-worth (which like many over-achievers he lacks), but more importantly would in his deluded little fantasy make her see that worth too (and if SHE recognises his worth then he must be worthy - vicious cycle I know). And unlike Vaughan who is torn emotionally between doing things to make his father proud and helping out Josie and the gang, probably THE primary motivating emotional force for Lucas (at least from mid-series 2) is the need to be noticed and appreciated by Josie. It's really funny actually - from what I've read of the show, there is a major Buffy influence and Lucas and Spike share a lot of the same emotional make up - particularly in being hopeless romantics/idealists and in falling for a girl who doesn't and will possibly never return their affections - because deep down they don't really think they deserve love. But I'm getting sidetracked….
I think basically that Lucas does deserve to have his Josie fantasies become real, but whether she deserves him is entirely another matter - it may well be that she and Vaughan are better suited. BUT if she is the type of girl to be bowled over by the jock's looks and athletic ability you could in fact ask yourself if Lucas has idealised his relationship with Josie has she not done the same with Vaughan? You have to admit the whole star-crossed lovers, Romeo and Juliet theme has overtones of melodrama. Maybe if Josie and Vaughan were able to be together for real with none of those obstacles, which make the whole thing so romantic and daring, there wouldn't be anything left….
The other thing I just wanted to examine was the kiss in the body swap episode. This was a really interesting one because what should have been an episode about finding your own self-worth and feeling good in your own shoes turned into a re-assessment of Lucas. In the end Lucas decides it's not so bad being himself after all (no surprise there), but Vaughan, instead of feeling good about being himself again decides that it's not so bad being Lucas either. Most importantly Josie ends up re-assessing her view of Lucas too (albeit not so obviously) - her willingness to kiss Lucas/Vaughan was initially because she knew it was really Vaughan inside, but by the end she's not so sure and believes she kissed them both (the episode reinforces this by implying that physical and mental abilities cannot be entirely separated -without his hindering dyslexia Vaughan becomes increasingly more like Lucas - reading everything he can get his hands on etc.) Basically in making the point that it was Lucas's lips that did the work in kissing Josie we see that in fact she doesn't find him physically unattractive at all and that Lucas' outside with the confidence of Vaughan can be an attractive thing. If Lucas could just manage to find his own self-worth and confidence he and Josie might stand a chance….
Anyway, sorry about the huge post, but the show's really got me thinking.
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Post by Gideon on Jul 21, 2006 8:50:41 GMT -5
I don't really have anything to add, Charlotte, but I just wanted to congratulate you on making such a fantastic post. Personally, although Lucas is my favourite character, I support Josie/Vaughn, but you make some fantastic points. Welcome to the boards!
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Post by HailStorm on Jul 21, 2006 13:19:17 GMT -5
Holy ship thread, batman! What's this, a newbie's post being interesting and well thought out giving opinions backed up with evidence from the show? I'll be off to Boots to buy some smelling salts because MC and Gouki may actually faint Welcome to the boards, charlotte - please stick around! That is quite an interesting point, and I would agree that maybe there's some validity in it. At the very least after Brainwaves it seems that impressing Josie does factor in somewhat to his obsession with winning and being proved right. However, looking at the earlier episodes before the J/V/L triangle got going, you can see that he's always been kind of competitive. He does kind of similar things in Radio and Vision (basically uses secret knowledge - radio from the future and x-ray vision respectively - to fleece his friends in a bet to get them to do stuff for him) but in Radio the thought of going out with josie hadn't really occured to him and it seems that in Vision it was more about getting out of fulfilling his part of the bet, turning the tables on his friends at first but it becomes more about getting Josie on side when he decides to search for dirt on Vaughn and Victor by which point he's already won at Hearts. And I reckon that, as much as Corrine can be really scary, had it been Lucas who was team captain in that science competition in Equations, the whole thing would probably have gone down a similar way, if not worse because Lucas would probably get a bit more bitter than Corrine. Oh and there wouldn't be the hug between Marshall and the captain who nearly killed him because TV is just no fun sometimes But you're right, Nutrition was mainly about trying to equal or better Vaughn and in doing so, make Josie notice him. Hmmm... I don't know about saying whether somebody deserves to get somebody or not. I mean if you judge on him wanting it to happen soooo much, and him going to quite some lengths for her, then maybe. But Lucas really lets a crush escalate to the point where it seriously clouds his moral judgement. He, along with everybody else, was furious with Vaughn in Storm for spying on them when Vaughn owned up to it (although, Vaughn was forgiven because they realised it was pressure from his dad that made him do it) yet because he was so caught up in bascially planning the downfall of his friend, he was perfectly happy to do the exact same thing only worse (he even didn't appologise to Vaughn and it was his own idea, he wasn't pushed into it). Vaughn has no ill intent towards but Lucas connives and goes behind his back until Vaughn eventually loses patience with him (although he does re-join the group, he remains wary of Lucas) - but I reckon Vaughn was more patient than a lot of people would be if they had Lucas after them like that. And you can tell that sometimes Lucas does actually make Josie a bit uncomfortable. He would be a lot better off if he looked back on it all and used it as a learning experience - things don't always work out like you think they should, and sometimes no matter how hard you try you can't get what you want - it isn't worth screwing up a freindship and alienating the object of your crush just because you're bloody minded. It does seem that by the end of series 3 he had basically come to that conclusion (he was willing to side with Vaughn in Hologram, going against Josie to do that and just seemed to have calmed down in general) but unfortunately it seems like after Josie dissapeared and Marshall was taken out of school, well, he was thrown for a loop and blaming Vaughn and obsessing over finding Josie was the best way he could cope. Well that turned into a ramble. What I was trying to say is Does Lucas Deserve Josie - who can judge that? I'd say that what they all deserve is to grow up and be happy - would Josie really make Lucas happy in the long term? Would he make her happy in the long term? We can't know for sure, but to tell my opinion I can't really see Josie with either Lucas or Vaughn in the far distant future.
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Post by Charlotte on Jul 21, 2006 16:44:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcome guys - I really appreciate it. Hailstorm, of course you're right about Lucas being a naturally competitive person - I was just trying to make the point that this is his knee jerk REACTION to problems and life in general rather than his MOTIVATION. Hence just because the only way he knows how to deal with his Josie infatuation is to compete for her (more than a little unhealthy I know) doesn't mean that his competitive streak made him like/want her in the first place. I think we have to allow for the fact that Lucas can just be plain old attracted to a girl.... Secondly - I concede that it may have been harsh of me to say that Josie doesn't deserve Lucas - was getting a little carried away with the Lucas love And I don't by any means think that he's perfect (if he was - I wouldn't find him so interesting) You're right that his reactions to certain situations are sometimes completely ill-judged - even if his heart is in the right place most of the time. Part of the problem and heartache of this particular love triangle is that in actual fact both guys are very worthy. I have no problem with Vaughan - he's a decent guy and does little to directly antagonise Lucas apart from the unforgivable (in Lucas' eyes) sin of liking the same girl (and even worse, she likes him back). I'm not surprised it isn't resolved at the end of Conclusions - it's something that will need time and maturity to rectify - if ever....
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Post by Gideon on Jul 21, 2006 18:47:51 GMT -5
but I reckon Vaughn was more patient than a lot of people would be if they had Lucas after them like that. That's something I've always wondered. Of course, I haven't seen season three, but from what I've read about it, it's clear that Vaughn did little in the way of responding to Lucas's awful behaviour towards him in the first seven episodes of the season. I've always wondered why that was, exactly. Did he hope that if he didn't respond that there might be hope for their friendship to be rekindled in the future? I can see him being willing to preserve his friendship with Lucas, as it seems to me that, before season three, the members of the Science Club he is closest to are Josie and Lucas. (He and Marshall don't seem to do much together, and although Corinne and he are somewhat friendly, they're not what I would call extremely close. Vaughn's strongest relationships in the club seem to me to be with Josie and (pre-season three) Lucas, so I can see why he'd like to hang on to his closest male friend in the Science Club. It's a pity Lucas had to keep acting like that for so long; a pity he acted like that at all, really. This leads me onto something else, though; not directly related, but I've been wondering - did Corinne or Marshall ever try to say something to Lucas about the way he was behaving? I know they're not as close to Vaughn as Josie is, and therefore probably wouldn't be as angry/hurt by Lucas's attempts to prove that Vaughn is not to be trusted as Josie is, but surely they can see that his behaviour is not right. Haven't they ever tried to reprimand him about it? And, for that matter, what about Z? Surely he must have noticed. Did he ever try to talk some sense into Lucas?
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Post by worldofweard on Jun 20, 2007 23:40:38 GMT -5
jose and lucaus should be together and thay should make a new scean with them expressing there love for one another . vaughn all do you is hot lucaus is cuter.jose and lucaus rule.jock is out and book smart is in.
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Post by lazerxangel on Jun 21, 2007 13:48:29 GMT -5
jose and lucaus should be together and thay should make a new scean with them expressing there love for one another . vaughn all do you is hot lucaus is cuter.jose and lucaus rule.jock is out and book smart is in. Haha. She reminds me of me when me...er...I first came here. ;D
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Post by lucashasmyheart on Jul 2, 2007 4:05:33 GMT -5
I also believe that Vaughn and Josie are wrong for each other and personally I think Vaughn stole Josie away from Lucas.
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Post by katybel on Feb 20, 2008 10:45:31 GMT -5
i think josie & Lucas should be together for ever ,that Lucas like Josie very much
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Post by Amaya on Sept 14, 2008 2:01:45 GMT -5
well, I think that J/L works better than J/V, for one, how does having constant trust issues with a guy make for a good relationship, and Josie and Vaughn have WHAT in common? They both have missing parents from the future? Wow, what a lot to build a relationship on. I see a lot of sense in J/V, but Lucas just seems better for her, they have more in common, Lucas is always there for her, he'd never let her down, but Vaughn... every time she lets her guard down and trusts him, she gets hurt. Lucas is right when he says Vaughn isn't trustworthy. Well, that's my opinion, and as I said, J/V makes sense, so, you like what ya like.
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