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Post by adam on Aug 18, 2006 11:40:12 GMT -5
I have created this thread to discus theories in the Harry Potter books. I would have just said it in the LPE but spoilers must be taken into account. You can say any theory you have got about how the books will end or things that will be revealed. i know I sound like a obsessor but I just like the books and they are fun to read. Read the first one last night. Its a good story line thick with twists thats fun to untwine. SPOILER DEFINATLY STARTS HERE I recken that, I know this is common, Dumbledore is not dead. I have looked at www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com/ and found a theory I think is very true. OK here it is. So to create a Horcrux you must kill someone, right? And the only reason the creation of a Horcrux is bad is becuase it involves killing. Maybe Dumbledore created a Horcrux. It said on the back of a Chocolate Frog card that Dumbledore 'defeated' an evil wizard once. When it says defeated did it mean killed? Surley to defeat you kill? Dumbledore condonesHarry killing Voldy so he would probably have killed this other evil wizard and used it to create a Horcrux. Since the only bad thing in making one is the killing and he had good reasons it is possable, no? Thats one anyway. Prably not true as many may say that Dumbledore advises not to create a Horcrux as death would be better than the half liFe you have, but would Dumbleodre endure this to help and save Harry? Just to clear something up thats not connected to this: Mrs. Norris is not an Animagi. She is not a person who has changed into a animal like McGonnagal. Thought I'd mention it as many people belive it. Also who is the person on the back of the English edition Harry potter and the philosphers Stone? its not Dumbledore obviosly. Is it just a random wizard. I am sure I saw a picture of the Unbreakable Vow being proformed on the front of my Harry Potter and the half-blood Prince (English addition). Yet now I look all over it and I cannot spot it. The picture was of two hands together with rings of fire around them. I thought it was the small picture they put on the spine but Marvolo's ring is there. Its weird as I definatly remember seeing it soemwhere. Anyway, if you have any answers comments or questions to my theorys please post. Also post your own. Ill be interested to see what people say. Cool random pick of Voldemort: Another quick thing thats not just in Harry Potter. The philosophers stone. Was it always called that? Why didnt they call it the alcamists' stone. Wouldnt that be more apt? What do philosopher have to do with it? I thinks its good how his real name (Tom Marvolo Riddle) anagrams to 'I am Lord Voldemort'. Clever. There are many translated variations but one I do not get what Wiki is trying to tell me with this one where it is not a straitforward translation. True Name:ÒÎÌ ÐÅÄËÎÂ (TOM REDLOV) Anagram: ÂÎËÄÅÌÎÐ (VOLDEMOR) Translation:Red from Redlov means order What does that mean?
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Post by Raskolnikov on Aug 18, 2006 12:21:13 GMT -5
Wouldnt order be restored once voldie is killed? But then it can mean for light there must be darkness to have order. Good can not exist without evil. It is referenced all throughout mythology. Voldie and Harry both balance each other out. Thats my theory.. Hmmm very intersting. My friend also believes that dumbledore is not dead. But this theory solidifies that Dumbledore is not dead which i am now starting to believe. All i know for sure is that Harry will be killed off in the 7th book.
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Post by Gideon on Aug 18, 2006 13:42:14 GMT -5
I came across that website as well, and I like to think that Dumbledore asked Snape to pretend to kill him, and that Snape didn't really mean the words he was saying, in which case, it probably wouldn't have killed Dumbledore.
I don't know, of course, but I like to think that Snape is on the good side after all, as I've always quite liked him.
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Post by adam on Aug 18, 2006 13:43:56 GMT -5
I think you are correct rattlesnake in your philosophy of good and evil. i think it is whispered in the harry potter series that Harry and the rest of the World will always have enemies in which to face. Enemies do not always present them selves as evil figures. What about inner demons?
Also Dumbldore said, before his passing obviously, that Snapes relationship with Harrys father parodied that of harry and Draco. So I think that history will repeat its self with Harry and Draco as it did with Snape and Harrys dad and the rest of HIS friends (Lupin etc.) and Harrys friends (Ron/ Hermione).
Also any theories by anyone on R.A.B., the guy who stole the horcrux?
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Post by Gideon on Aug 18, 2006 14:52:04 GMT -5
Also any theories by anyone on R.A.B., the guy who stole the horcrux? I've always assumed it was Regulus Black (Sirius's brother) whom he mentions to Harry in The Order of the Phoenix. The A could be the initial of his middle name.
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Post by adam on Aug 18, 2006 15:00:30 GMT -5
Went all the Blacks evil and followers of the dark arts? Also Voldemorts ambition was to be immortal, why did he need to kill all thoses people? When murder is described in the books people say that none would ever do that and its an act of pure evil when people do it everyday. its all abit innocent.
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Post by lazerxangel on Aug 18, 2006 16:47:18 GMT -5
Well, even if Dumbledore is dead, I think that Harry can still talk to Dumbledore through his portrait! There's no point in going out there to find the hocruxes with no guidance, especially when Dumble's the one whose been pointing Harry in the right direction all along.
P.S. I can't wait til they release the 7th book on 7/7/07 By the way, there are only 7 years in Hogwarts, right?
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Post by Gideon on Aug 18, 2006 17:04:12 GMT -5
Went all the Blacks evil and followers of the dark arts? Except for Sirius, you mean? Well, I'm not sure about his parents...I think Sirius's parents agreed with Voldemort in the begininng, but I think when he started killing people, Sirius said that they got anxious and stopped supporting him.
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Post by Raskolnikov on Aug 18, 2006 17:49:54 GMT -5
A famous phrase from Star Wars "Fear leads to Evil" by Yoda about Anikin apply to Voldie. Not knowing leads to fear then to ignorance then to darkness. I think this applies to Voldies inner demons. I think Voldie as an serial killer/dictator in a way he wants to instill fear in people by killing therefore the wizard authorities were not in control. He killed to have control over the wizard community. Thats Voldies ambition to gain what he never had in childhood. Control and Power. Its true that muggles kill each other in so many ways so Voldie is not as bad as we think. I think he loved his mother so much that he hated his father with so much hate that it poisoned his soul. Voldie never had love while Harry has lots of it. They were cowardly. Funny thing that Narcissa Malfoy whos madien name is Black wasnt afraid like her parents she fully supported the death eaters along with Bellatrix. Sirus was more open and absoultely good thats why Bella killed him.
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Post by Gouki on Aug 18, 2006 18:26:37 GMT -5
ZOMG SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE
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Post by adam on Aug 19, 2006 7:21:32 GMT -5
Yes Sirius is on the good side yes, that goes without saying!
I think Snape is on the good side too. becuase it has always been said although Snape hates Harry and maybe the teachers at the school, even Dubledore, he is not evil. Snape is just nasty as many people have said when Harry said he is evil. I think Gideon is right in saying maybe Snape was in on it when he killed Dubledore. I think maybe he DID kill him but he did so knowing of the Horcruxes.
In the Dark Arts books in the restricted section of the libary I am supprised they do not mention Horcruxes. Its not THAT evil realy. I doubt the evil books would say 'thats a little TOO evil, lets not cros the line'. I think its all Rowlings attemt to make murder worse than it is in real life via the books.
I dont think that Harry is going to be killed in book 7.
Good point lazer angel. I always wondered how to portraits work. I dont think Rowling quite knows yet since Harry would have talked to Dumbledore in his oainting when McGonagal became Head but insteadshe made his sleeping. I think she regrets making portaraits of dead people talk as that takes death less in the books. I always though why cant Harry talk to his parents via painting (though maybe they didnt have one done). And when Siris was killed and harry was seeing if he could contact Sirius is any way (mirror and ghost) thought he would have tried painting. Sirius probably had one done as there where many of the Blacks.
Also I dont think Sirius is dead, I think we will find out the truth in the next book. Becuause, think about it, he didnt actually die, he just fell into the viel. maybe its a portal of some kind. (unless its a portal to death).
There are only 7 years at Hogwarts and Rowling says she'll not write any more Harry potter books except an A-Z of Harry Potter for charity. I think shes rich enough. She says there will be no books on Harrys parents life either. I think she reckens she is rich enough. Anyway Harry wont be going to school in the next book. The 7th year at Hogwarts is optional (Fred and George left early). harry, Ron and Hermione are going to try and destroy the Horcruxes together (after going to Fleur and Charlies wedding and going to his parents grave). It said so in the end of the last book. I always wondered why Harry didnt see his poarents grave earlier.
Rattle snake you are right in saying Voldermorts motives.
Voldie said Greatness leads to hate, hate laes to spite and spite spawns lies. justr thought Id quote it as it is similar to what Yoda says abput fear leading to evil (via many things).
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Post by Raskolnikov on Aug 19, 2006 11:57:44 GMT -5
Yeah Snape is not that i am a evil mofo persona or like i am sick evil. He just needs a hug or love basically he is a bitter and angry person. Dumbledore did trust him why have faith in someone completely evil. He's not evil just angry. Besides if Dubledore had motive to choose Snape to kill him. Its perfect Snape would be the perfect scapegoat... Rowling is trying to instill morals since the book is being read to children. Sirus could have just been in pulgatory not quite death itself... Yup in mythology all the lessons are repeated in different stories in different places.
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Post by adam on Aug 19, 2006 12:58:43 GMT -5
Just read some good theories on what the potion was that Dumbbledore took in the Horcrux dish.
Some think its a sort of liquid death, a liquid version of the Avarda Kadavra spell. but more slow acting.
I thought it was a sort of liquid version of Dementor where it cunjers up your worst fear/memories. One was where Dumbledore was saying 'take me instead', maybe someone was hurting the students, Dumbledors worst fear? Also he was supposed to look as though he was surrounded by invisible torturers.
Another idea is that its liquid fear, similar to my Dementor idea realy, the same evidence.
Also it could have a clue to R.A.B. Whats if the potion was something only Death Eaters could rink with out suffreing pains. After all they are Death EATERS. Maybe this is where the name came from , it was never explained. Regulas Black was a death eater as well so...maybe.
But maybe it is nothing, just a potion that Voldermort used, not nessasery to the story.
With Rowling I always find the explenation is rarley predictable, always something new. I did not come up with all of these by the way. Only the Dementor one.
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Post by lazerxangel on Aug 19, 2006 14:21:26 GMT -5
And when Siris was killed and harry was seeing if he could contact Sirius is any way (mirror and ghost) thought he would have tried painting. Yes, but if you check out the HP Lexicon and click on book 7, they talk about what might happen in book 7. " We will learn why some people become ghosts and some don't.Q: What makes some witches/wizards become ghosts after they die and some not? A: You don't really find that out until Book VII, but I can say that the happiest people do not become ghosts. As you might guess, Moaning Myrtle! NOTE: This information may have already been included in the conversation which Harry has with Nick in book five. The interview in which JKR gave this response was years before book five was written and she may have changed her plans somewhat."
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Post by adam on Aug 19, 2006 14:36:02 GMT -5
Hary DID try to see if Sirius was a ghost thats what I said. he also used a mirror to communicate with him. Im saying why DIDNT he try painting. The ghost thing WAS explanined in book 5 with Nick. Ill have look at the site about book 7 though.
JK says the last word of the last book is 'scar'. I think thats dumb clue as it tells us nothing. Apparently the film of book 3 gave clues to futher books. I didnt catch any of it, did any of you? www.jkrowling.com is good. And also you have to find speacial 'Easter eggs' is you click on the right things. There are 12 in all. If you cant find them directions are on www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com-tips.html#ps-man. It is a fun site to look at. The info Rowling gives out is a bit tame but the graphics are good. The best bit is the FAQ section.
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