carshall
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Post by carshall on Aug 28, 2005 20:18:32 GMT -5
Okay, I have alot to say on this subject.. there are time that I have watched that I seen line that they had Josie say that I thought would have came better from Corrine, but I think the character is alot better than what Lisa Turtle had on SBTB... remember when she and Zack kiss ,because he didn't want her to leave school cause he loved her..and by the next episode they had broken up...but I digress
Anyway I hear alot of people always talking of Josie/Prof.Z..where as I don't think that there is anything romanticall between Corrine and Z.. I do believe that they have a chemistry dare I say a father/daughter type vibe thats C/Z
Im very pro Corrine and Marshall they are just so cute.. anyway Im working on a Corrine/Marshall fic that is going to be funny/has the BHH spin to it..and The BHH cliffhanger that might not set well with some people.
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Post by ~*S&R'sLovechild*~ on Dec 4, 2005 12:30:36 GMT -5
Please say you are going to be part of the final 3! I hope so . Please say you are going back! Please say you are the one who finds out what is happening...something juicy! Sometimes I watch Strange Days at Blake Holsey High and fell like I am watching Breaker High or Saved By the Bell where the African American girl is just there to add color. Why is this so? I think that during the rest of the summer I am going dedicate myself to creating a board where people can write comments about what things they would like to change in TV and Film. One of the threads will be dedicated to changes in token roles. Look at the OC or even back when 90210 was on, where are the lead people of color? Just thrown in to say a few words here and there, no substance. Sorry got carried away...venting. I will wait until my board is up. I am a little tired and frustrated, as my trust in broadcasting is coming to an end. I hope there is going to be some light at the end of the tunnel on SDABHH. Give me hope that things will change. ILH I agree so much, I mean I watch the oc and I wonder where are the black people. I mean we do exsist. Some show, make me mad. They might have black older people but not black teens, and that's what I want to see, black teens on One Tree Hill, or the OC, or 7th Heaven. Maybe some interracial couples, to stir up some contreversy. I want good tv and I haven't gotten that. |
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Post by MirrorCard on Dec 4, 2005 22:44:18 GMT -5
Please say you are going to be part of the final 3! I hope so . Please say you are going back! Please say you are the one who finds out what is happening...something juicy! Sometimes I watch Strange Days at Blake Holsey High and fell like I am watching Breaker High or Saved By the Bell where the African American girl is just there to add color. Why is this so? I think that during the rest of the summer I am going dedicate myself to creating a board where people can write comments about what things they would like to change in TV and Film. One of the threads will be dedicated to changes in token roles. Look at the OC or even back when 90210 was on, where are the lead people of color? Just thrown in to say a few words here and there, no substance. Sorry got carried away...venting. I will wait until my board is up. I am a little tired and frustrated, as my trust in broadcasting is coming to an end. I hope there is going to be some light at the end of the tunnel on SDABHH. Give me hope that things will change. ILH I agree so much, I mean I watch the oc and I wonder where are the black people. I mean we do exsist. Some show, make me mad. They might have black older people but not black teens, and that's what I want to see, black teens on One Tree Hill, or the OC, or 7th Heaven. Maybe some interracial couples, to stir up some contreversy. I want good tv and I haven't gotten that. People living in Canada, what is the ethnic make up (Blacks, whites, Native Americans, Indians, Asians, Latinos, etc) of Canada, especially around major TV Production areas? Same for Germany and Australia, what are the statistics? You know, i'd like to think that actors are hired on talent, not color. BHH is good with good actors. Do you really want to put someone of another ethnic background, African or maybe Asian, Latino, or Native American (three groups I have not yet heard anyone complaining about an absence of), on the show even if he or she is not a good actor? Why would youhire a bad minority actor over a bad white actor? Don't hire either and get a good actor. Skin color does not matter. Shadia is on this show because she is good, not because of the color of her skin. It is an embarrassment that it would even be thought. It is an embarrassment to this whole forum that Jim had to come on here to state that. Come on people  |
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Post by HailStorm on Dec 5, 2005 8:16:13 GMT -5
Well, I wouldn't say that skin colour is not important - there should be a range of different ethnicities on tv because there is a range of ethnicities in western culture today (in fact, in Europe at least, there has been for a very long time - we're talking the 1500s and before). However, talent should be the first consideration - this shouldn't be a problem because I doubt there is trouble with finding great tallent regardless of race. And I really don't think that characters who are black/asian/hispanic or any other race should ever be token characters. you know put in to 'show we're not racist' - in a way that's just as racist as deliberately exculding people of colour. It lowers the status of the group that's being 'helped out'. Black characters should always be as complex, 3-dimentional and real as the white characters.
Thankfully, in BHH that is the case. Corrine is a great character, totally against the 'token black character' stereotype (you'll notice that she's about as 'street' as a tweed smoking jacket), she's super-intelligent, has her good points and her bad points, she's got emotional and social problems just like everybody else - she's a fully realised character. And Shadia is a really good, tallented actress and, well, I couldn't imagine anybody else playing the part of Corrine.
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carshall
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Post by carshall on Dec 5, 2005 10:00:27 GMT -5
I wanna comment on this, but everything I kept coming up with just kept coming off as arguementive. and I try to stay out of those type of things, but Just to say it I agree with both S&R and HS.+
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Post by i::heart::strangedays on Dec 21, 2005 15:25:07 GMT -5
Please say you are going to be part of the final 3! I hope so . Please say you are going back! Please say you are the one who finds out what is happening...something juicy! Sometimes I watch Strange Days at Blake Holsey High and fell like I am watching Breaker High or Saved By the Bell where the African American girl is just there to add color. Why is this so? I think that during the rest of the summer I am going dedicate myself to creating a board where people can write comments about what things they would like to change in TV and Film. One of the threads will be dedicated to changes in token roles. Look at the OC or even back when 90210 was on, where are the lead people of color? Just thrown in to say a few words here and there, no substance. Sorry got carried away...venting. I will wait until my board is up. I am a little tired and frustrated, as my trust in broadcasting is coming to an end. I hope there is going to be some light at the end of the tunnel on SDABHH. Give me hope that things will change. ILH she's Canadain not American |
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Post by Peaceout on Dec 21, 2005 15:34:27 GMT -5
She didnt say she was american she said shes african american
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Post by Mac on Dec 22, 2005 5:17:29 GMT -5
She didnt say she was american she said shes african american Well then she'd be African Canadian. Or African North American. I find its just easier to say 'black'. It avoids all the unnecessary semantics, nor is it insulting or demeaning. |
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Post by Amanda(#2) on Jan 20, 2006 13:12:08 GMT -5
I agree so much, I mean I watch the oc and I wonder where are the black people. I mean we do exsist. Some show, make me mad. They might have black older people but not black teens, and that's what I want to see, black teens on One Tree Hill, or the OC, or 7th Heaven. Maybe some interracial couples, to stir up some contreversy. I want good tv and I haven't gotten that. People living in Canada, what is the ethnic make up (Blacks, whites, Native Americans, Indians, Asians, Latinos, etc) of Canada, especially around major TV Production areas? Same for Germany and Australia, what are the statistics? You know, i'd like to think that actors are hired on talent, not color. BHH is good with good actors. Do you really want to put someone of another ethnic background, African or maybe Asian, Latino, or Native American (three groups I have not yet heard anyone complaining about an absence of), on the show even if he or she is not a good actor? Why would youhire a bad minority actor over a bad white actor? Don't hire either and get a good actor. Skin color does not matter. Shadia is on this show because she is good, not because of the color of her skin. It is an embarrassment that it would even be thought. It is an embarrassment to this whole forum that Jim had to come on here to state that. Come on people I completely agree with this. Race shouldn't even be an issue. I mean, why not put Tyler up on the line too. If you're going to make it a black and white thing, then that's being biased in itself. There are multiple ethnicities represented by the characters, but its not about the ethnicities. It just so happens that the cast is talented, and that's what they were hired on-- talent. Yeah, I can understand The OC or One Tree Hill, but a lot of it is about what type of audience the show is directed to and what message they want to send. Do I think black people are always represented correctly? No, but, then again, you have cases in which every ethnicity is misrepresented. Oh, and for the record, 7th Heaven? They are actually really great about diversity and hitting major issues in society. It might not be a constant, but look at the setting and the general direction. Matt's roommate was black (I know, minor role), there was inter-racial dating on that show, yada yada. Its not that it isn't presented, you just have to see where the shows are coming from. It might not be intentionally biased. It could just be the way it was written. Honestly, there are very few things I would change about the show. And, as presented above, Shadia gets her share of the show, it just might not revolve around her because of the plot twists. There are quite a few episodes in which Shadia had a major part in the plot, or had equal share in it. I mean, seriously, in Tesseract Emma really only have a few minutes of airtime. Its the format of the show. Just about each character gets its fair share of time, but it might seem overshadowed because of the main underlying plot of the Josie/Vaughn/Paradigm thing. And if that made sense, I should commend myself. |
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Post by Gouki on Jan 20, 2006 21:24:30 GMT -5
If someone's race is the only reason that they appear I'd rather see them not appear at all. Why should it matter? Look at the Buffy-verse: very few black characters, but they all had an important role.
I mean, in real life does every school or community have people from different ethnicities just because of that reason? No. A lot of them don't even have any, or if they are the physical differences aren't even noticeable!
It's as bad as the cries that gay people aren't in enough TV. I'd rather no gay people on TV than gay people who are only there "diveristy." I want living, breathing characters who I empathise with. Not a colour or a sexulity.
And... this is sort of getting ready to go into General. I like this discussion.
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Post by Peaceout on Jan 20, 2006 21:46:04 GMT -5
I really don't want to talk about the real world because its not as real as it says in its name but every season i see one African American or one gay person in the show and believe there doing it just to add diversity which is basicly using them.i agree with you about every ethnicity is sometimes misrepresented and race should not be an issue at all.i get tired of stereotypes but at the same time there are people who are actually like that and they might relate to that character.
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Post by Amanda(#2) on Jan 21, 2006 16:29:35 GMT -5
If someone's race is the only reason that they appear I'd rather see them not appear at all. Why should it matter? Look at the Buffy-verse: very few black characters, but they all had an important role. I mean, in real life does every school or community have people from different ethnicities just because of that reason? No. A lot of them don't even have any, or if they are the physical differences aren't even noticeable! It's as bad as the cries that gay people aren't in enough TV. I'd rather no gay people on TV than gay people who are only there "diveristy." I want living, breathing characters who I empathise with. Not a colour or a sexulity. And... this is sort of getting ready to go into General. I like this discussion. Actually, if I'm not mistaken, the main cry of the gay TV is not necessarily that there aren't gay *actors*, but that homosexuality isn't fairly represented in shows. I don't think its a big deal, Will & Grace has a huge following, as does/did Queer Eye, and Queer as Folk (and the like shows). Unfortunately, I think a lot of the breeders that watch the shows (myself included) watch it for pure entertainment. Granted, I live in an odd situation (all my friends are gay, save for one). |
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Post by Kat on Jan 21, 2006 17:21:17 GMT -5
how about everyone take a look at their real close friends. I'm talking about your real close close friends - those you disclose things to etc ... If all groups including race, religion, sexual-orientation etc is represented, then we can go on and on about w/e this topic is about ... deal?
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Post by Amanda(#2) on Jan 21, 2006 17:52:10 GMT -5
how about everyone take a look at their real close friends. I'm talking about your real close close friends - those you disclose things to etc ... If all groups including race, religion, sexual-orientation etc is represented, then we can go on and on about w/e this topic is about ... deal? honestly, that's not really fair...I only have like three or four really close friends...one of which being the only one I tell everything too... |
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Post by Gouki on Jan 21, 2006 20:53:48 GMT -5
how about everyone take a look at their real close friends. I'm talking about your real close close friends - those you disclose things to etc ... If all groups including race, religion, sexual-orientation etc is represented, then we can go on and on about w/e this topic is about ... deal? Hi. You missed the point. |
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