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Post by poppenflip on May 3, 2004 10:42:34 GMT -5
No, I don't think they do. He is very focused on being successful in his business endevours. How do you see him being emasculated?
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Post by HailStorm on May 3, 2004 11:08:17 GMT -5
I can sort of see where you're coming from. But I'm not sure if 'emasculating' is precisely the right word as it sounds a bit negative.
Marshall isn't a big macho-boy. He doesn't really play sports, he's not loud or crude or imposing. He's inteligent, witty and loyal. So while he doesn't conform to the abritrary stereotype of 'manly' (which is a stupid annoying stereotype anyway) I wouldn't call him effeminate either. I don't think the writers are writing his character to be weak, he's strong in a quiet, secret way. And like Popenflip said, he's also very focused on the things he's passionate about (science, friendship and sweet, sweet money...) Hurrah for non-sterotyped, lovely Marshall ^_^
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Post by Tommy on May 3, 2004 14:59:46 GMT -5
I wud vote but i'm not gonna. I dun believe in the stereotypes i believe girls can b boistrous and boys can be sensitive without feemling immasculated [or woteva the word is] it's sexist [but in my lilk world VRYTHIN is sexist]
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Post by Mac on May 3, 2004 18:15:50 GMT -5
the character of Marshall is interesting. at first glance, he's a big geek. but keep looking, and you'll see quite the opposite. good singer, money-oriented, strong of character. and they showed his character in Hemispheres do a 180. so, he's a good role model to those out there who's goal in life isnt to be the best at sports or be the most popular. well, it is a science show you know...  |
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Post by Gouki on May 5, 2004 0:42:05 GMT -5
Have at you stereotypes!
Stereotyping makes Gouki cry. And when I cry I get violent.
That's the thing. Stereotypes suck. And yet people are willing to lap them up so much. I don't understand. Why?
Indeed, layers and growth and More than meets the Eye-ness makes a character good. Which is why the BHH characters are enjoyable. Which is why the Evangelion characters are so... sorrow filled.
And Marshall has plenty of that.
[Xander]Yes, Men like sports. Men watch the action movie. They eat of the beef and enjoy to look at the bosoms. A thousand years of avenging our wrongs and that's all you've learned?[/Xander]
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Post by Mac on May 5, 2004 0:57:00 GMT -5
[Xander]Yes, Men like sports. Men watch the action movie. They eat of the beef and enjoy to look at the bosoms. A thousand years of avenging our wrongs and that's all you've learned?[/Xander] amen! ;D yeah, Marshall is probably the most non-stereotypical main character in that show. |
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Post by Tommy on May 5, 2004 14:43:18 GMT -5
I think it's gud 4 a guy to be in touch with his feminine side [stereotype!] it's good to be sensitive infact we had a debate in class [debate class duh]
the question was : Is it ok for a boy to cry in public.
Everyone said no apart from myself
Q: Is it ok for a boy to cry in privacy?
A: YES
Wot the hell man!
No i do not believe Marshall is emmasclate in fact i think Vaughn is more masculated [er... ok]
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Post by HailStorm on May 5, 2004 15:50:58 GMT -5
(Well, I personally don't agree with crying in public at all unless absoultely necessary. It's painful and embarassing for everybody, regardless of gender.) I see what you're saying, Tommy. We see Vaughn as the big tough 'super-jock' (as Josie dubbed him in Lost). So seeing his submissive relationship with his father is quite emmasculating. Plus there's Josie's dominant personality which often leaves him looking less than powerful, macho and in control (I think Josie storming out of his house in Ecosystems was a brilliant example of this - especially with his exhasperated "Josie!" when she slammed the door ) |
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Post by Mac on May 5, 2004 22:58:04 GMT -5
No i do not believe Marshall is emmasclate in fact i think Vaughn is more masculated [er... ok] yeah.... that was kinda counter-productive to the rest of your argument. unless you meant to say emasculated. bleh, i dont do crying. but yeah, they're slowly switching all the characters around in their roles. Marshall is coming out on top and Lucus on bottom. |
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Post by Tommy on May 15, 2004 3:58:24 GMT -5
no i meant masculated they make Vaughn too... typical boy you know... Marshall's more like the kinda guys at our skuel than Vaughn is... if you understand? I'm tomboy and people call me names but if a girl can be boisterous a boy can be 'feminine' [bad stereotype sozzy]
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Post by Mac on May 15, 2004 13:05:54 GMT -5
no i meant masculated they make Vaughn too... typical boy you know... Marshall's more like the kinda guys at our skuel than Vaughn is... if you understand? I'm tomboy and people call me names but if a girl can be boisterous a boy can be 'feminine' [bad stereotype sozzy] Marshall and Vaughn have a diffferent form of masculine. Vaughn is physical while Marshall is assertive. But Lucas, now that's emasculated. Hey, I like tomboys. Dated one for awhile.  |
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