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Post by AuenDestiny on Apr 11, 2005 20:42:59 GMT -5
I still think that someone did something to the ball or replaced it with a different floaty ball while she was traveling in the wormhole. The wormhole alone wasnt enough to create the ball. yeah, I'm starting to agree with you, I still say Professor Z took both qigongs because he didn't like Josie playing with them and the one in the backpack had to come from somewhere else. it was known when and where Josie was going to create the floaty qigong, so there was motive and opportunity. I don't think it just randomly happened. it had to occur.Also suspicious is that it wasnt a wormhole that depowered the ball, it was a light slip. But who's light slip is the question. consider this Scott: what you said about the floaty qigong possibly having a wormhole or maybe even some other reaction to the gyroscope contained inside, what if, like the main wormhole, it could be controlled by thoughts, and the energy being produced by the floaty qigong when Josie removed it somehow responded to her thoughts of needing to escape and transferred the energy into the light slip allowing her to escape?
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Post by Mac on Apr 11, 2005 21:16:08 GMT -5
Its possible, but lightslips have always been controlled by the Janitor independantly of Victor's wormhole machine which the wormhole is tied to. If that was a wormhole she went into, I'd understand, but it wasnt.
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Post by MirrorCard on Apr 11, 2005 21:48:11 GMT -5
yeah, I'm starting to agree with you, I still say Professor Z took both qigongs because he didn't like Josie playing with them and the one in the backpack had to come from somewhere else. he only took one of them. My tvtome recap points out 1 ball was taken but you could believe that I am in error. Rewatch the episode from your tapes.
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Post by AuenDestiny on Apr 12, 2005 12:22:06 GMT -5
Its possible, but lightslips have always been controlled by the Janitor independantly of Victor's wormhole machine which the wormhole is tied to. If that was a wormhole she went into, I'd understand, but it wasnt. yes, until then the Janitor and Josie2 were the only ones who knew about light slips, and then Josie uses that one. it was almost like it did respond to her thoughts of needing to escape. now my question is: since Josie had not encountered light slips before how did she know to go through it? that it would be an exit or a portal somewhere else?he only took one of them. that's the way I remember it, probably because it works out logically that way to me. to be logical to me, Professor Z had to take both qigongs, for him to get the look he had when Josie said she already lost one. if he had only taken one and she still had one, he would have had no reason to look the way he did, she had it and could have done anything she wanted with it. whereas, if he had both and then only had one and she told him she lost one, it would produce that look, like you took it, how did you get it, how did you lose it, what happened, and he'd have all kinds of questions going through his head. it's just logical that way to me. if he had actually only taken one then it wouldn't have mattered to Professor Z that Josie already lost one, he most likely wouldn't have cared, much less have had that look. there definitely is something more going on than meets the eye, you never know.
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Post by Mac on Apr 12, 2005 13:51:00 GMT -5
Z probably knows that the ball is what powers the wormhole device. He did work in Pearadyne.
Josie may have activated the lightslip subconciously, but its more likely that someone like Aveneir took advantage of Josie's need to escape by putting it right there. Josie probably thought "Its kinda like a wormhole..." and ran into it without thinking.
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Post by HailStorm on Apr 12, 2005 14:08:50 GMT -5
The fact that Z only took one ball and gave 'the look' (as it will henceforth be known) when hearing that Josie lost the other ball actually makes the look a lot more significant, as has already been speculated in the Shifty Z thread which is located on the Z board. It was the combination of him finding that news so disconcerting and the fact that he appeared to know the code to get out of the machine's chamber that first lead some of us to speculate about just how involved Z was in Peardyne. This may sound CRAZY but there are some out there who, yes, that's right, base speculation on canon That would be my guess - the look indicates that he's had a sudden realisation. And, obviously, it has to do with Peardyne rather than something random. (Josie: Keep it, I already lost the other one... Z: Ok. ... Oh my WORD! I left the gas on!) I'm thinking that her logic was along the lines of: "There is a loud siren so security are probably on there way. I also know that this place goes Ka-boom pretty soon. Oh look, a strange light effect that is somehow vortex-esque. Well, if I go through there then I'm more likely to be alive and not in prison than if I stay here." So yeah, pretty automatic as most people will do anything rather than die. Most people would probably do the same, I think - especially if they've had some previous experience with strange vortex-like things.
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Post by AuenDestiny on Apr 12, 2005 20:16:54 GMT -5
"Things Are Because They Are."
I don't like that idea, nor believe in it.
"Things Are Because No One Changed Them."
much better.Perspective Perception
Things we believed to be true about BHH, later proven not:
[/li][li] The Janitor knows everything. * The Janitor didn't know where Tyler was going. [/li][li] The building is normal and strange occurrences just happen. * The building was made to accommodate the strange occurrences. [/li][li] Corrine went through the wormhole and Josie and Professor Z rescued her without incident. * Corrine interacted with Sarah and some of Corrine's memory was erased. [/li][li] Sarah was innocent and corrupted by Victor. * Sarah knew all along the Floaty Ball was to be created and when and by who, she took advantage of Victor, and used the Floaty Ball for her own purposes. [/li][li] Josie2 is the only one with a wrist device and the black outfit. * Sarah also has a wrist device and similar outfit. [/li][li] Lucas and the tesseract device. Nothing unusual happened with Professor Middleton. * On the other side of the door things are entirely different. [/li][li] The wormhole is random. * The wormhole goes to specific points and can be controlled by thought. So with that many so far, probably others too, why wouldn't it possible that there's more to the Floaty Ball?[/color] Z probably knows that the ball is what powers the wormhole device. He did work in Pearadyne. yes, we know that, we've discussed it before.Josie may have activated the lightslip subconciously, but its more likely that someone like Aveneir took advantage of Josie's need to escape by putting it right there. Josie probably thought "Its kinda like a wormhole..." and ran into it without thinking. yes, it seems her thoughts were used to someones' advantage.
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Post by HailStorm on Apr 13, 2005 3:26:00 GMT -5
And all of this is relevant to what, exactly? I can't see anywhere on this page where anybody said 'No, the ball is deffinitely an normal chi-ball and certainly wasn't manipulated in any way before Josie got it, and absolutely was not switched at any point in time.'. What has been said is that Z took only one ball from Josie durning the lesson - which is true because he only took one. He took one of Josie's stress balls and he did not take the other. And therefore his look of shock, given that he took only one ball, not two, the number of the balls he took was one and he took but one, not two, makes it therefore quite likely that he has a good idea of the significance of Josie having lost the ball and, seeing as the present is the same as it always was, she was 'meant' to loose the ball all along - ergo, he probably knows something about Victor's machine (perhaps that it seems to be powered by the mysterious floating sphere?). And that is some information about the chi ball that is strongly supported by canon - that Z knows about it. So as for perception/perspective: - Z is absolutely innocent, was merely an intern at Pearadyne and has no secrets
*Or does he? He knew the security code for the chamber, he seems to find Josie losing the chi-ball significant
While I do think that something more than 'the ball got changed by the power of the wormhole' happened (eg. it was switched by somebody with the ability and want to do so) it is a theory that isn't directly supported by anything at the moment. We may never know, in fact, even if there is a season four - that doesn't make it a bad theory, it just means it isn't directly taken from canon.
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Post by ICWP on Apr 13, 2005 9:53:00 GMT -5
Professor Z had to take both qigongs So why would he only give her back one near the end of the episode?
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Post by Mac on Apr 13, 2005 14:47:42 GMT -5
I noticed something. When Josie switches the two balls in Stopwatch, Vaughn looks at the powerless ball and sees an engraving. That's how he knows its Josie's ball. But does that mean that there is no engraving on the floating ball? That definately supports my "the balls got switched" theory.
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Post by MirrorCard on Apr 13, 2005 16:40:44 GMT -5
I noticed something. When Josie switches the two balls in Stopwatch, Vaughn looks at the powerless ball and sees an engraving. That's how he knows its Josie's ball. But does that mean that there is no engraving on the floating ball? That definately supports my "the balls got switched" theory. Josie has possession of it. It is hidden with her stuff.
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Post by HailStorm on Apr 13, 2005 17:45:56 GMT -5
Ah, there's an interesting thought indeed... although it may be that one was engraved and the other wasn't. But then again, they could both have been engraved - anybody watch fate closely enough to tell? Then again, like MirrorCard said, he did spot the engrave qigong ball when he was writing Josie a note in her room. It fell of the shelf (or something), he picked it up, turned it over and saw the engraving. Later, when he picked up the 'dead' ball, he found the ingraving, recognised it and did his little 'grrr Josie grrr' moment. It's inconclusive.
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Post by AuenDestiny on Apr 13, 2005 21:05:55 GMT -5
anyone find it strange that the wormhole in the Science Office connects to three specific points and only two are also in the Science Office?
and why would Josie decide on 1987 to go back and take the Floating Qigong? if she had any sense and had thought it through, she would have tried some how to get back to just before the Floating Qigong was created going through the wormhole. she would have either taken the backpack or taken the ball out of the backpack, thus no Floating Qigong would ever have been created. or on another angle she would have gone back to 1977, contacted a messenger service and had a message sent to Professor Z early enough, she would be able to calculate the delivery time, on the exact day in the future when she and Vaughn would travel the wormhole, informing him that under no circumstances is he to allow her to keep the Qigongs. she could tell him something only he would know so that he would know without a doubt she sent the message, and sign both a 1977 date and her present date. he would take both Qigongs and no Floating Qigong would ever be created.
the Floating Qigong is probably smooth. any engraving would cause friction. plus it always seems to look smooth, or maybe it's just moving (rotating) really fast making it appear smooth.
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Post by MirrorCard on Apr 13, 2005 22:34:09 GMT -5
and why would Josie decide on 1987 to go back and take the Floating Qigong? if she had any sense and had thought it through, she would have tried some how to get back to just before the Floating Qigong was created going through the wormhole. she would have either taken the backpack or taken the ball out of the backpack, thus no Floating Qigong would ever have been created. or on another angle she would have gone back to 1977, contacted a messenger service and had a message sent to Professor Z early enough, she would be able to calculate the delivery time, on the exact day in the future when she and Vaughn would travel the wormhole, informing him that under no circumstances is he to allow her to keep the Qigongs. she could tell him something only he would know so that he would know without a doubt she sent the message, and sign both a 1977 date and her present date. he would take both Qigongs and no Floating Qigong would ever be created. ok, half that (the bottom half) I didn't understand. Let me see if I got this correct: Josie knows that the floating chi gong ball must be created for Vaughn to be born (it can be implied from Fate but it is revealed that that is why Vic and Sarah are together in Inquiry). If Josie took the ball before it was created or before Victor could get it, Vaughn doesn't get born and reality is altered. So she waits until after. Her goal was most likely to prevent the strange occurances. Pearadyne's existance doesn't spawn the occurances, the explosion caused the occurances. Without the explosion, Pearadyne should have still be around. We never know what caused the malfunction at Pearadyne. My guess is that Josie caused it by taking the ball. Then, the timeline as she knows it would be restored when she goes back to the time after she took the ball from Pearadyne and put it back.
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Post by Mac on Apr 13, 2005 23:08:35 GMT -5
But if Josie's taking of the ball triggered Pearadyne's accident, then Victor would not have had the floating ball in the present (in Stopwatch), and taking the ball wouldnt have resulted in the school being condemned.
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