Although some of Rilian's posts have been heated, I personally don't think there's any evidence that suggests he/she is a troll.
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If we look at it from Rilian's point of view, we can sort of understand his/her behaviour. He/she is a relatively new member. He/she doesn't know any of us well yet, and in the first thread they've started, people have basically told him/her that their opinions about the episode are wrong. Don't get me wrong, I think the people who have disagreed with Rilian have made excellent, valid points. But where the troll area is concerned, I think Rilian should be given the benefit of the doubt. To me, his/her actions are understandable.
Gideon, I don't think you know what a troll is
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While I don't think Rilian is outright trolling, his/her point of view is misinformed. That is not an opinion, it is fact. He/she has left out critical information in seeing how the episode has treated Corrine, as well as the purpose of that episode existing. She is also missing several key lessons about life, which are typically learned when you get a job in Retail or Fast Food or anthing chainstore-ish. It's not a lesson that gets taught in only 3 months, outside of the holiday season.
That said, this thread is not to discuss the workings of government. Get back on topic (or find your posts deleted). And, I also believe that the parties involved in it are just trying to make each other angry, therefore, I will delete any seperate thread which may be posted anywhere else on the forum.
So, bascially, this entire conversation is a thinly veiled way for you to cutie about authority?
looks that way, and it is close to getting locked since rilian is unable to understand the logic of how society works. The idea of the thread (the only one supporting keeping it open) is showing him/her why the episode is fair the way it played out and that the analysis he/she hgas made is errr... flawd. If that cannot be reached, there's no point in continuing this thread.
This stands out to me that rilian really does not know how the school system works:
It's not the government, because parents have the option of home-schooling, which is what I did for the last 2 years of high school. Home-schooling is free.
Homeschooling is not free. The public school tax, which is a State tax, is paid by anyone who has a child, no matter what type of school he/she is enrolled in, even if he/she isn't in public school. If I go to private school, my parents pay public school tax. If I am homeschooled, by parents pay public school tax.
If you were homeschooled by your parents, didn't your parents have to pay money to obtain the certification to home school you (or the classes that lead to that certification)?
If you were homeschooled by tutors, those tutors charged your parents for the homeschooling, right?
When did it show in the episode that Ms. Durst was having a bad day?
Honestly, I would have to watch the episode again. I just remember her being more tense than usual.
"No, Corrine isn't justified. ..."
Why? The best time to deal with an injustice is when it first happens, so that everyone knows what you are talking about and they can't run away.
And you consider that best time to be in the classroom while the class is taking a quiz? It's not like they were talking while the teacher's back was turned, they were talking while a quiz was being given.
"Professor Z's actions were justified"
He told her to calm down or he would find an alternative place for her to take the quiz. Then they immediately cut to her in the principle's office. Apparently, he didn't give her a chance to calm down.
erika summed it up well:
and apparently you can't conclude the fact that maybe she just didn't calm down.
Since Corrine just kept picking at the problem instead of letting it go, we can conclude that the "immediate cut" was actually after the duration of 5 or 10 minutes; it wasn't "immediate."
&"Vaughn would have to be consulted"
I said that. In the section you were replying to.
And if he said "no," would she be justified in taking the paper anyway?
&You know what's not fair? Corrine's grade being ruined because Josie unplugged her alarm-clock.
No, Corrine's grade
may have been ruined (and clearly it wasn't seeing as she wasn't failing during the course of the series) because she didn't remember the study session, because she couldn't let everything else that happened to her that day go and move on. Forgetting the study session was all on Corrine. We symapthize with her because of the events of her day, but Josie didn't make Corrine forget.
I didn't see Corrine as being any nicer the last time than she was the first time. I don't see why Ms. Durst reacted any differently. What caused her to change from, "You're late, you naughty imbicile!" to "You're late? You'd better hurry."?
First time, Corrine was running and the collision was caused by carelessness and Corrine was really tense. The other times, Corrine really wasn't running and the collission appeared more as an accident caused by a misunderstanding, not because of carelessness, and Corrine was increasingly less tense each repetition of the day. The final time, Corrine wasn't running, the collision was appeared to be caused by a misunderstanding, and Corrine wasn't really tense at all - she was actually really, "let's move on" and she threw in that extra line which Durst preceived as a joke.
Corrine's attitude steadily got better, and that in turn made Principal Durst's attitude towards Corrine steadily better.
"On the idea of letting it go, Corrine settled with the idea that Vaughn is capable of turning in a decent, important paper."
"Corrine is too focused on forcing everything to be right and not letting go of things that she cannot control."
And I don't think Corrine learned that lesson. Making it to the study session with Vaughn was something she could control, but simply gave up on.
Yes, it was something she could control. However, whenever Corrine tried to exert control over something, it resulted poorly. So, knowing that Vaughn is capable of *gasp* turning in an acceptable paper, she let it go.
About my "perverse interpretation": I have seen this episode many times. The first time I saw it, I just thought it was cute, like I have every other episode of Strange Days at Blake Holsey High. But it began to bother me a little more each time I saw it as I became aware of more and more ways in which Corrine was being treated unfairly or being stupid herself. I've seen the episode many times, watching with an open mind. I was watching the episode when I wrote my little essay about it. I don't think I jumped to conclusions. There might be more to the episode than what I said. In fact, I know there is. I only included the things that bothered me. I think I wrote on aspects of the show that other people missed.
You skipped the most important parts of the episode, which show that Corrine isn't unfairly treated in the episode. That is where your analysis doesn't work.
Turning the paper in says, "I'm finished," but I can change my mind. Turning the paper in does not say, "This is your property now," because I expect to get that paper returned to me.
And when the paper is returned to you, then it is your property. In the duration of that time, it belongs to the teacher. You've handed it to the teacher, and are taking it back without permission (taking without permission = stealing). There are papers that teachers never give back to students.
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Maybe the honor code at George Mason University (where I attend) is a lot more strict than other places. I thought it was universally accepted among all colleges and schools.
I think that's ridiculous and I would not consent to go to a school that does crap like that. But parents can force their minor children to go to school somewhere they don't want to go. Not fair.
First off, it is college - no one can force you to go. You're only required to attend school until graduation (or GED/equivilant) or the age of 18, whichever comes first. College is not required by law. A parent cannot force a child to attend college. You are free to leave if your parents do not like your decision to not go to college.
Rilian, please explain how the following are "rediculous" to be considered an honor code violation:
*incorrect citing of a source (example: giving credit to a website, instead of a book that you got the material from).
*making up a source (because you only have 2 cited sources, but the assignment calls for 3).
*incorrectly quoting a quote or crediting someone with something he/she didn't say (putting in your report: "MirrorCard, in the General Board, stated 'The British perfected the English language' ", even though I never said that).
2 more which I forgot earlier*reusing a report that you used in 10th grade again since the topics are the same, without receiving permission from the professor.
*using the same report (perhaps slightly modified) for two different classes at the same time, because the topics are the same, without receiving permission from both professors.
You may want to ask your professors about whether or not the above violates your university's honor code. If you don't want to, I would be interested in contacting your university to see if the above is an infraction of its honor code, but you haven't been briefed about it.