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Post by Gouki on Dec 13, 2004 3:56:52 GMT -5
Two completely different events were changed then. In fate, Victor and Sarah never met (We don't know if it was the ball or the hairclip that caused it yet). In Inquiry, they did meet, and Peardyne was started. But then it was shut down during an experiment. We don't know what happened between the two events. But Blake Holsey went under in 1987, as the graffiti attests to. Assumdely, Pearadyne plays some part in keeping the school afloat. Josie says herself "this is the day your father stole the Chi Ball from me." Well of course. The ball was the source of energy for Peardyne, even if she knew of it how could she create Peardyne without the ball?[/quote] |
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Post by HailStorm on Dec 13, 2004 4:19:00 GMT -5
I'm not big on the finance but maybe Peardyne supported the school through giving them a % in the business - if Pearadyne had lots of investors, then so did the school. Pearadyne was obviously ruined when Josie took the ball, meaning that the school got dragged right down with it. The school ran out of money, fell into disrepair and the building was condemned.
In the Fate universe, the school had never relied upon Pearadyne funds because it never existed at all - they obviously had a different source of funding and perhaps not quite as good facilities and the Blake Holsey we normally see. The important point being they had enough to keep the school open and standing.
Well, that's how I make sense of it.
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Post by vichyvane on Dec 14, 2004 2:18:11 GMT -5
I still don´t get the whole apocalipsys thing...
how can one single ball change so much...
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Post by AuenDestiny on Dec 15, 2004 13:52:12 GMT -5
how can one single ball change so much...
okay...I've thought of two things about Josie and Vaughn...
[/li][li] 1 ~ their DNA is reversed from normal and no one knows how or why...what if somehow when they went through the wormhole together in Fate and the floating qigong ball was created the energy from that reversed their DNA...a direct result of being at the creation of the floating qigong ball...and Sarah knows about it just as she knew the floating qigong ball was being created and brought to 1977... [/li][li] 2 ~ Josie aquired Vaughn's memories from their transference and still keeps them within her...yet nothing was explored of what Vaughn aquired from Josie...so maybe that's how Josie is released from her present Inquiry predicament...something Vaughn aquired brings Josie back from her present reality to him...would be an interesting turn of events...[/color] |
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Post by vichyvane on Dec 15, 2004 15:25:55 GMT -5
okay...I've thought of two things about Josie and Vaughn...
[/li][li] 1 ~ their DNA is reversed from normal and no one knows how or why...what if somehow when they went through the wormhole together in Fate and the floating qigong ball was created the energy from that reversed their DNA...a direct result of being at the creation of the floating qigong ball...and Sarah knows about it just as she knew the floating qigong ball was being created and brought to 1977... [/li][li] 2 ~ Josie aquired Vaughn's memories from their transference and still keeps them within her...yet nothing was explored of what Vaughn aquired from Josie...so maybe that's how Josie is released from her present Inquiry predicament...something Vaughn aquired brings Josie back from her present reality to him...would be an interesting turn of events...[/color] [/quote] Well, that can happen, but I don´t think so, I think they both were born with that irregularity. And about Vaughn being able to save Josie... That would require vaughn been smart, and... not to be rude... but... I don´t think so... |
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Post by ICWP on Dec 17, 2004 10:18:10 GMT -5
And about Vaughn being able to save Josie... That would require vaughn been smart, and... not to be rude... but... I don´t think so... She meant using something learnt by Vaughn from his and Josie's transference, just as Josie learnt about vaughn in the same way in Nocturnal. And Vaughn isn't a complete goit all of the time. Like in Thursday ("Vaughn's Theory" - When Corrine's gravity got too strong, the time around her looped.), or Magnet (Suggesting that they earth Josie's magnetic energy.). EDIT Also, I think Au's theory on the wormhole giving Josie and Vaughn their reverse DNA works pretty well - Nothing suggested they had that DNA until directly after Fate, when the Janitor checked their slides in Culture. |
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Post by HailStorm on Dec 17, 2004 12:31:18 GMT -5
What about Corrine then? And Z? Do all the people who go through the Wormhole get their DNA helixes reversed? Surely, if that's the case then the Janitor would also have made off with Corrine's slide and there would be a connaction between the three of them, not just the 'Josie and Vaughn connection'
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Post by ICWP on Dec 17, 2004 12:34:12 GMT -5
What about Corrine then? And Z? Do all the people who go through the Wormhole get their DNA helixes reversed? Surely, if that's the case then the Janitor would also have made off with Corrine's slide and there would be a connaction between the three of them, not just the 'Josie and Vaughn connection' Actually, what Au said was that Vaughn and Josie's DNA was reversed as a result of going through the wormhole with the floating ball. |
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Post by HailStorm on Dec 17, 2004 13:36:04 GMT -5
I can see why somebody wouls switch the ball for a strange device as a power source, but not why they would set it to reverse the DNA. Also, it's implied that the Janitor also has the reversed DNA, so what would all that be about? Personally, I think this has more to do with heredity. If a DNA-altering ball isn't too far fetched then a race of mutant humans with left-twisitng helixes and time travel cpabilities isn't either.
I'd guess vaughn gets it from his mother and Josie from her father, which is why he is important even though we havent's knowingly seen him at all yet.
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Post by Menack on Dec 17, 2004 14:26:15 GMT -5
Have Josie's father ever been mentioned, in any way? (Like Josie saying "I don't know much about my father" or something like that)
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Post by MirrorCard on Dec 17, 2004 15:14:42 GMT -5
Also, I think Au's theory on the wormhole giving Josie and Vaughn their reverse DNA works pretty well - Nothing suggested they had that DNA until directly after Fate, when the Janitor checked their slides in Culture. The janitor looked at the DNA slides in Genome, not Culture. Fate and Genome are seperated by 10 other episodes. No DNA analysis is done in Culture. Culture dealed more with traits (inherited and learned), not actually DNA which is what Genome was supposed to do. This actually connects the two episodes based on educational goal *points out nerdily* |
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Post by ICWP on Dec 19, 2004 13:50:43 GMT -5
Have Josie's father ever been mentioned, in any way? (Like Josie saying "I don't know much about my father" or something like that) It was once in Small, when Z says to Josie that her eventual height would likely be the average height of both her parents. She said that her mother was short too, and that she didn't know a lot about her father. |
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Post by JulieMary on Dec 23, 2004 17:02:48 GMT -5
I have a doubt... Actually, I'm confused...
I mean... I read if there isn't another season... Canada and USA will see a different ending... Is the same ending that we [latinoamericans] saw?
Or Jim is going to wait for the Fireworks' response (or another) to show the ending1 (England) or ending2?
Oh... I guess you aren't going to understand me... If you don't understand anything please tell me and I'm going to write it better...
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Post by Moiself on Dec 23, 2004 17:31:57 GMT -5
OR, couldn't it be possible that it is something to do with finance? Because doesn't Josie (or someone) mention something along the lines of "No Qijong ball, no accident at Pearadyne" ?
And Victor's interest in the school could just have been because of the wormhole, and didn't the wormhole come about because of the accident, which came from a failed experiment perhaps involving the Qijong ball?
((Did it even involve the ball?? Do they ever tell us?))
Going into all that stuff about time being complicated, it could be assumed that Josie would go back to 1977 and Victor would get the ball, so the wormhole and accident were there even though, logically, they could not be there until Josie's ball arrived.
What I mean is, there was an accident at Pearadyne before "Fate" and Victor taking the ball from Josie, but Josie's coming was "foreseen" so maybe the accident only happened because, in the future, Josie would go back to 1977 (as she did in "Fate") and have the ball stolen from her. So sort of fulfilling destiny.
But when she took the ball before the accident at Pearadyne, in "Inquiry", she messed up the timeline of events (doesn't Josie2 mention something about some kind of timeline?) and so there was no accident, no wormhole, no school, etc.
But there could still be a Pearadyne. Victor's interest in the school could stem only from the wormhole, or even just because he knew that Josie would be there one day and that the school would be the setting for all these "foreseen" events that Sarah was talking about. So once there is no accident: the ball is gone; perhaps Sarah's prophecies are all proven more or less wrong and he loses interest in the school and doesn't provide funding.
I've confused myself. But if anyone understands..?
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Post by MirrorCard on Dec 24, 2004 1:52:56 GMT -5
((Did it even involve the ball?? Do they ever tell us?)) Pearadyne exists because of the ball. That's really all we need to know. We're forgetting something: It can't be because of the Chi Gong ball because the school existed without it in Fate (when Pearadyne did not exist, when there was no accident, and no ball). Another factor must have been introduced to make the timeline different from when the timeline was altered in Fate. What I mean is, there was an accident at Pearadyne before "Fate" and Victor taking the ball from Josie, but Josie's coming was "foreseen" so maybe the accident only happened because, in the future, Josie would go back to 1977 (as she did in "Fate") and have the ball stolen from her. I think you're confused between Wormhole and Fate. Josie was not foreseen coming in fate. |
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