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Post by AuenDestiny on Apr 21, 2005 16:12:38 GMT -5
I dont think Kelly or Middleton really know what they're mixed up in. Both are probably very misinformed. Maybe on purpose by the Janitor, who's boss seems to be in charge of the tesseract device.
and we believe Avenir is on the other side because the Janitor and Josie2 said so.
and I mostly agree. the Janitor, Josie2, Victor, and the Janitor's boss are on the same side. but Sarah is probably aligned with Avenir, or least being helped by him. why Avenir would want or need Tyler is still beyond me. and Kelly seems to be her own agent, doesn't seem likely to trust much of anyone, probably where Josie gets that added extraness of that.
and why the Janitor's boss or anyone else would leave that Tesseract device to be found is astonishing act of abhorrent stupidity.
and it seems to me if and when we finally know how many sides exist and members of each are sorted out, there will be some surprising alignments. |
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Post by Mac on Apr 21, 2005 19:04:29 GMT -5
The device was left behind on purpose to be found by Middleton. They were stringing him along like a puppet. It was Lucas who wasnt supposed to see the device. Giving Middleton the tesseract device was basically to encourage him to investigate deeper. But then Josie showed up to investigate, so he wasnt needed anymore.
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Post by AuenDestiny on Apr 21, 2005 20:48:39 GMT -5
so basically Middleton was expendable after the one they really wanted arrived?
at least Lucas is good for something  , even though no one really believed him. I'm wondering if someday, if there is a day, this will be brought up again and Lucas being vindicated and saying see I told you.
you know, always in the back of my mind, from Fate, I've always wondered if Vaughn is expendable too. with both Josie and Z still existing in the hairy Victor reality, and the Janitor being there too, it was almost like even though the Floaty Ball didn't fulfill its intended purpose, Josie and Z were still meant for something, clarifying: hash-slinging Z and music school Josie, some destiny they were still supposed to fulfill.
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Post by {88Keys} on Apr 21, 2005 21:41:09 GMT -5
Well, I don't think Middleton is the janitor, but it is better than most of the other "the Janitor is..." theories we've come up with. Certainly one I had not thought of before. How do you know he was talking about Vaughn? I always thought he probably meant Kelly/Josie.<88Keys frowns> Oh. Never mind.
Seriously, Jim said that?AAAAAAGGGHHHHHH!!! My eyes! That is worse than Josie and Vaughn being brother and sister! You just had to go there, didn't you?!  <88Keys looks down sheepishly> Oh. Never mind.
And that makes a LOT of sense, Auen, epecially after what we've seen further on in season three. I know everyone has slaughtered your theory that Middleton wasn't talking about Vaughn, but, for once, I agree with you.  Maybe it's just because I like the thought that all was not as it seemed in that scene, and there was much more to what Middleton was saying than the obvious (the obvious being Victor/Vaughn). I'm probably wrong, but that's OK; I like it in my little world here. ;D
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Post by JoyFital on Apr 21, 2005 21:55:14 GMT -5
I like it in your little world too, because basically, either that whole episode had no purpose (neither progressing plot or a fun filler (because it had bits of wormhole plot in it)) or there was a lot more going on than is clear. This is the problem, if BHH doesn't continue, we can still enjoy all the filler episodes with mirrors, sponges and astrology but all the criptic episodes will gradually drive all few 1000 of us insane and we'll tear ourselves apart.
I don't understand what Auen was saying about the hairy Victor reality but it sounds interesting and could you please explain it to me again. (use small words and a slow voice and I'll get there eventually)
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Post by Mac on Apr 21, 2005 22:27:09 GMT -5
Auen: It means that even if the ball didnt exist, Josie and Z would still be born. No ball, no Victor and Sarah relationship, no Vaughn. Though that does imply that Josie's father is not from Pearadyne. It could still be Aveneir though, as I doubt he'd dependant on Pearadyne's existance to time travel. He's probably got his own lightslips.
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Post by AuenDestiny on Apr 22, 2005 11:07:34 GMT -5
I don't understand what Au was saying about the hairy Victor reality but it sounds interesting and could you please explain it to me again. (use small words and a slow voice and I'll get there eventually)
just kidding. 
In Fate, when Josie and Vaughn left 1977 to go back to their time, but Victor hadn't gotten the Floaty Ball yet, and they came out the other end of the wormhole as only Josie because in the alternate reality Josie went to, Vaughn hadn't been born. Victor was the Science professor, and had never married nor fathered children, and Victor had hair, lots of bushy hair, even wilder than his fake hair in Nocturnal and Friction. you must see Fate if you haven't already, it's one of the best episodes.
just say if you want more explaining. Scott: I agree with you. and a little more.
Avenir or whoever it is, didn't need Pearadyne, like you said he's got his own light slips, and probably much more. and probably in that reality still had plans for Josie and Z. both probably still had something he needed, Z's knowledge and Josie's too most likely. anyway, some purpose he had in mind. |
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Post by MirrorCard on Apr 22, 2005 23:42:53 GMT -5
AAAAAAGGGHHHHHH!!! My eyes! That is worse than Josie and Vaughn being brother and sister! You just had to go there, didn't you?! wow, one of my posts hurt 88Key's mind *heh heh* I like it in your little world too, because basically, either that whole episode had no purpose (neither progressing plot or a fun filler (because it had bits of wormhole plot in it)) or there was a lot more going on than is clear. yeah. Tesseract was not built onto. I remember, in the spoiler thread for Tesseract, I held to the belief that the episode was a filler episode most of all. Even though it shouldn't be, it's plot is rather iscolated to the one episode and the episode really didn't do anything for the overall story. None of the episodes would have been affected if this episode didn't exist. The only thing Tesseract accomplishes is putting the audience back on track with the Lucas against Vaughn storyline after Allure didn't have that storyline in it. |
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Post by AuenDestiny on Apr 23, 2005 15:42:52 GMT -5
the episode really didn't do anything for the overall story. None of the episodes would have been affected if this episode didn't exist.  that's thirty minutes you're not getting back. 
or maybe the purpose was to make Lucas look even more loopy. like we really needed that.
but you're correct MC, it didn't matter. so maybe the writers were intrigued with Tesseracts and thought this will make a real nifty filler and we can dazzle the audience with our knowledge, I mean, did any of us really know what a tesseract was before we knew the title?The only thing Tesseract accomplishes is putting the audience back on track with the Lucas against Vaughn storyline after Allure didn't have that storyline in it.
and that did really make sense having Lucas against Vaughn, and Vaughn not even in the episode. Lucas was fighting shadows. wonder if Lucas's imaginary friend used to beat him up? *hehe*
Tesseract was a nice concept, it just didn't go anywhere. kind of like going to Disney World and all you get to see is the underground system. it's grand and all, but not exactly what you thought you were getting and not any fun. and in the end like nothing happened.
well, Lucas did get hugged twice by Marshall . and had to remember both .
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Post by acilite on Apr 23, 2005 22:21:20 GMT -5
I think Tesseract was an important episode, b.c pro.middleton had to have dissapeared in the first place, and this gave him reason to, so I think while it seems like a filler episode, it has a lot more to deal with . . .. Or maybe this is just my own theroy . . .
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Post by MirrorCard on Apr 24, 2005 1:44:58 GMT -5
*nods* true. maybe we would have been better off without Tesseract, since the ending basically erased everything that occurred. almost like one of those dream episodes that they say more or less at the end "we've wasted your time as it never really happened." that's thirty minutes you're not getting back. I absolutely hate those episodes *opinion of Tesseract lowers*. so maybe the writers were intrigued with Tesseracts and thought this will make a real nifty filler and we can dazzle the audience with our knowledge, I mean, did any of us really know what a tesseract was before we knew the title? Well, there was that one movie. It was based on a children's novel, i think. Forgot the name. It had tesseracts in it. |
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Post by Mac on Apr 24, 2005 3:02:31 GMT -5
A Wrinke In Time?
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Post by JoyFital on Apr 24, 2005 8:08:52 GMT -5
I absolutely hate those episodes *opinion of Tesseract lowers*. absolutely hates those episodes, MC. Why would you want your time wasted? It's like films where the twist is a split personality. "Hey, remember all those bits that just couldn't be explained and you were really looking forward to the end? Well guess what? We're not going to explain and just have a really big cop out. Naynaynayh." Well, it's nothing like that actually, but they really annoy me too. What lets the episode down (apart from it having no purpose by hinting at plot and then saying 'nope, not going there') is at the end suddenly Lucas is all noble and decides not to stay over the weekend. Why?! If I was paranoid Lucas, I'd be even more intrigued as to what the hell was going on and would do more exploring, safe in the knowledge that this time I wouldn't get crushed to death. And what was all that about him over hearing Victor, except Victor was going on holiday? Huh? And when he goes back to normal, he is really worried about Corrine and checks she is okay. Only, the last he saw, Corrine was FINE, but Professor Zachary got vanished/erased. So who would be the first person YOU would worry about? Dang kids! So I guess I agree with Acilite, (because I enjoyed the episode while it was all Professor Zachary "shut up Lucas....... ooooookay THIS room didn't used to be here..." and don't want to insult its 'I did nothing to help plot, only confuse and then I never happened anyway' too much) They needed to show us what happened to Middleton, just so we know it wasn't an accident/he was pushed, just in case people start wondering. Except of course, they made us wonder more. And what happened to the 'other' janitor then? Was he pushed? But I guess you've all discussed this before, on the correct thread... right?  |
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Post by MirrorCard on Apr 24, 2005 13:31:03 GMT -5
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Post by AuenDestiny on Apr 24, 2005 17:05:56 GMT -5
I absolutely hate those episodes *opinion of Tesseract lowers*.
at least we finally know what it is. the episode I mean. probably better to ignore the vapid vacant storyline and just enjoy the special effects.Well, there was that one movie. It was based on a children's novel, i think. Forgot the name. It had tesseracts in it. And what happened to the 'other' janitor then? Was he pushed? |
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, even though no one really believed him. I'm wondering if someday, if there is a day, this will be brought up again and Lucas being vindicated and saying see I told you.
Maybe it's just because I like the thought that all was not as it seemed in that scene, and there was much more to what Middleton was saying than the obvious (the obvious being Victor/Vaughn). I'm probably wrong, but that's OK; I like it in my little world here. ;D 
